1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,736 --> 00:00:14,290 MEDIA : Heather Gabriel Chinook, 4 00:00:14,393 --> 00:00:16,637 Inga Monique Hall, Tanya.. 5 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:18,811 MEDIA : It is becoming depressingly familiar - names 6 00:00:18,915 --> 00:00:20,848 of the latest women who police say were murdered 7 00:00:20,951 --> 00:00:22,539 by Robert Pickton 8 00:00:22,643 --> 00:00:24,127 MEDIA : Tanya Marlow Pollack... 9 00:00:24,231 --> 00:00:25,956 MEDIA : Robert Pickton's now charged with murdering a 10 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:29,650 seventh woman, Brenda Wolfe, who disappeared 3 years ago. 11 00:00:29,753 --> 00:00:33,136 This case is now the largest serial killer investigation 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,518 in Canadian history. 13 00:00:39,453 --> 00:00:40,971 NARRATOR: The voice of a killer. 14 00:00:44,251 --> 00:00:46,253 NARRATOR: Words the jury did not hear. 15 00:00:47,323 --> 00:00:49,601 LYNNE ELLINGSON: I really would like to know why he kept 16 00:00:49,704 --> 00:00:52,259 me alive through all this. 17 00:00:52,362 --> 00:00:53,984 Like I think that was more punishment 18 00:00:54,088 --> 00:00:56,815 than actually killing me, right? 19 00:00:56,918 --> 00:01:00,060 NARRATOR: Willie Pickton's closest associates reveal what 20 00:01:00,163 --> 00:01:04,029 they knew, and what they kept from police for years. 21 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:07,170 MEDIA : Yvonne Bowen, Andrea Borhaven, Wendy Crawford.. 22 00:01:07,274 --> 00:01:08,792 ANDY BELLWOODS: Willie was supplying all these people's 23 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:10,967 wants and needs. 24 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:15,558 I believe some of the people were helping him... 25 00:01:15,661 --> 00:01:17,801 in a lot of bad ways. 26 00:01:26,155 --> 00:01:27,673 MEDIA : Last month, Pickton was charged with the 27 00:01:27,777 --> 00:01:31,160 1st degree murders of Mona Wilson and Serena Abbotsway. 28 00:01:31,263 --> 00:01:33,886 CPL.FRANK HENLEY: He's unobtrusive, he's quiet, 29 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:36,544 he's polite. 30 00:01:36,648 --> 00:01:39,444 He fits perfectly the description 31 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:41,584 of a serial killer. 32 00:01:41,687 --> 00:01:45,415 LISA YELDS: Every human is capable of killing, but I just 33 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:50,524 really don't think that Willie could do it all on his own. 34 00:01:50,627 --> 00:01:53,458 And to this day, I'm still not sure what 35 00:01:53,561 --> 00:01:56,046 happened on that farm 36 00:01:56,150 --> 00:01:59,222 NARRATOR: A place that harbored horrible secrets, 37 00:01:59,326 --> 00:02:02,570 where a circle of need allowed a cagey killer 38 00:02:02,674 --> 00:02:04,814 to escape capture. 39 00:02:04,917 --> 00:02:06,885 Again and again. 40 00:02:15,859 --> 00:02:29,079 [♪] 41 00:02:45,924 --> 00:02:47,719 NARRATOR: In this part of Vancouver, misery has 42 00:02:47,822 --> 00:02:50,308 a lot of company. 43 00:02:50,411 --> 00:02:53,483 It's the last stop for the dispossessed, the desperate, 44 00:02:53,587 --> 00:02:55,934 the addicted. 45 00:02:56,037 --> 00:02:59,179 And a magnet for those who take advantage of them. 46 00:03:02,734 --> 00:03:06,393 STITCH: I was an addict from downtown eastside. 47 00:03:06,496 --> 00:03:12,675 It's dog-eat-dog down there. 48 00:03:12,778 --> 00:03:15,643 The hotels on the downtown east-side are the size of a 49 00:03:15,747 --> 00:03:20,338 jail cell - A lot of cockroaches, a lot of grub, 50 00:03:20,441 --> 00:03:23,064 a lot of dirt - not a happy place to live. 51 00:03:25,170 --> 00:03:26,827 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: You've probably got as many as, 52 00:03:26,930 --> 00:03:30,140 you know, three or four thousand drug users in that area. 53 00:03:30,244 --> 00:03:32,729 And that's for the poorest postal code in Canada. 54 00:03:32,833 --> 00:03:34,869 You know, you're talking about a group of people that 55 00:03:34,973 --> 00:03:37,182 probably uses about $200 million a year 56 00:03:37,286 --> 00:03:39,874 in illicit drugs. 57 00:03:44,845 --> 00:03:46,847 ELAINE ALLEN: Downtown Eastside women tend to be 58 00:03:46,950 --> 00:03:50,437 women who are in the survival sex trade. 59 00:03:50,540 --> 00:03:52,646 Their addictions are so out of control. 60 00:03:52,749 --> 00:03:54,993 They are either high when they're making the decisions 61 00:03:55,096 --> 00:03:57,513 about who's car their getting into, or they're so desperate 62 00:03:57,616 --> 00:04:00,067 to get high that they're going through acute withdrawal, 63 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:03,001 which makes them physically really ill that they're making 64 00:04:03,104 --> 00:04:05,486 bad judgment calls about who's vehicles they're getting 65 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:07,247 into to turn tricks. 66 00:04:09,179 --> 00:04:10,905 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: The Downtown Eastside over the 67 00:04:11,009 --> 00:04:12,942 years has been basically a hunting ground for every 68 00:04:13,045 --> 00:04:16,083 predator or pervert in Canada and sometimes out of Canada. 69 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,640 NARRATOR: It would be years before anyone could prove that 70 00:04:21,744 --> 00:04:25,126 a socially awkward bachelor was preying on women 71 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:29,303 from the Downtown Eastside. 72 00:04:29,407 --> 00:04:33,100 In early 1997, all that distinguished Robert "Willie" 73 00:04:33,203 --> 00:04:36,966 Pickton from the other johns was his rubber boots and 74 00:04:37,069 --> 00:04:40,625 smelly pick-up truck. 75 00:04:44,387 --> 00:04:46,320 PICKTON: Ok, here goes nothing. 76 00:04:46,424 --> 00:04:48,598 NARRATOR: The voice of Willie Pickton. 77 00:05:02,888 --> 00:05:06,547 NARRATOR: From an audio diary he recorded in 1991. 78 00:05:35,783 --> 00:05:38,510 NARRATOR: Willie Pickton was on familiar turf, 79 00:05:38,614 --> 00:05:40,995 cruising the Downtown Eastside. 80 00:05:41,099 --> 00:05:44,413 At the corner of Cordova Street and Princess Avenue, 81 00:05:44,516 --> 00:05:48,175 he set his sights on a thirty-one year old prostitute. 82 00:05:48,278 --> 00:05:51,420 Her street name was "Stitch", a mother of two, 83 00:05:51,523 --> 00:05:55,941 who'd struggled for years to kick her addiction. 84 00:05:56,045 --> 00:05:59,324 STITCH: This pick-up truck pulled over, asked me to go up 85 00:05:59,428 --> 00:06:02,154 to his place and I asked him where it was. 86 00:06:02,258 --> 00:06:05,434 He said "Coquitlam" and I said, 87 00:06:05,537 --> 00:06:07,539 "naw, that's a little too far". 88 00:06:07,643 --> 00:06:09,679 He says "well, I'll give you a hundred bucks" and he goes 89 00:06:09,783 --> 00:06:13,096 "I'll bring you back within an hour and a half." 90 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:20,069 So I said "Yah, okay". 91 00:06:20,172 --> 00:06:24,936 So then we start driving out and I spotted a women's 92 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:27,835 brassiere bra on his seat and I picked it up and I said 93 00:06:27,939 --> 00:06:29,941 "who's is this", and he says "oh, just a date 94 00:06:30,044 --> 00:06:32,495 I had last weekend". 95 00:06:32,599 --> 00:06:35,498 And I started getting creeped out. 96 00:06:35,602 --> 00:06:37,914 But I didn't get the opportunity to bail out, 97 00:06:38,018 --> 00:06:40,917 so I followed through. 98 00:06:46,785 --> 00:06:48,925 NARRATOR: Stitch had no way of knowing that her instincts 99 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:54,206 were dead on-that other women had vanished in recent months. 100 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:56,554 And that their DNA would eventually be found on 101 00:06:56,657 --> 00:07:00,661 Pickton's property. 102 00:07:00,765 --> 00:07:05,528 The jury never heard Stitch tell her story, and until now 103 00:07:05,632 --> 00:07:08,324 the public hasn't either. 104 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,641 STITCH: We got to his place and we pulled in - he had to 105 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:17,954 get out and unlock his gate. 106 00:07:18,058 --> 00:07:19,991 I didn't know it was a farm. 107 00:07:20,094 --> 00:07:23,028 It was more of a junkyard. 108 00:07:23,132 --> 00:07:26,411 Beat-up old wrecked cars. 109 00:07:33,936 --> 00:07:36,904 And then we went in. 110 00:07:37,008 --> 00:07:43,048 We went down through the trailer towards the back room 111 00:07:43,152 --> 00:07:46,258 and as we were going through, I remember the kitchen was so 112 00:07:46,362 --> 00:07:48,847 dirty and grubby but I remember this big, large 113 00:07:48,951 --> 00:07:53,783 butcher knife sitting on this table. 114 00:07:53,887 --> 00:07:56,165 Then you go further down and uh, we went into a room where 115 00:07:56,268 --> 00:07:59,962 there was no bed or nothin, just a big roll of plastic - 116 00:08:00,065 --> 00:08:02,620 clear plastic. 117 00:08:02,723 --> 00:08:07,383 And sleeping bag on the floor. 118 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:11,974 After the room, I asked him if I could borrow his phone, cuz 119 00:08:12,077 --> 00:08:16,841 I wanted to call my boyfriend at that time -and tell him 120 00:08:16,944 --> 00:08:25,643 where I was and that I'm on my way back. 121 00:08:25,746 --> 00:08:28,404 And I was bent over the table looking for the hotel number 122 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:35,584 where we were staying and I could feel something behind me 123 00:08:35,687 --> 00:08:38,863 and I turned around and it was him behind me and he had 124 00:08:38,966 --> 00:08:42,418 grabbed my left hand and caressed it, and real quickly 125 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:49,908 he slapped a handcuff on my left hand. 126 00:08:50,012 --> 00:08:52,808 I wasn't sure if he was gonna try and rape me, 127 00:08:52,911 --> 00:08:57,295 try and kill me. 128 00:08:57,398 --> 00:08:59,021 And then the first thing I remembered was that butcher 129 00:08:59,124 --> 00:09:06,200 knife on the kitchen table. 130 00:09:06,304 --> 00:09:11,102 I'm not gonna lie, I tried to kill him. 131 00:09:11,205 --> 00:09:19,904 132 00:09:20,007 --> 00:09:23,079 STITCH: Either I died or he died. 133 00:09:23,183 --> 00:09:29,776 And I fought for my life. 134 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,572 I could just feel this hot stuff runnin down my chest, 135 00:09:32,675 --> 00:09:38,163 runnin down my body, and I knew it was blood. 136 00:09:38,267 --> 00:09:41,304 He stabbed me four times - twice in the abdomen, once on 137 00:09:41,408 --> 00:09:45,308 my rib cage, punctured one of my lungs, 138 00:09:45,412 --> 00:09:48,553 and a cut on my left arm. 139 00:09:48,657 --> 00:09:51,832 I figured I was gonna die walkin' outta here. 140 00:10:00,047 --> 00:10:02,256 MARIA MILLS: I had saw someone coming down the driveway 141 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,017 towards the street. 142 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,849 I thought it was a woman, just because she was quite slight. 143 00:10:08,953 --> 00:10:14,303 As she got closer down towards the end of the driveway, 144 00:10:14,406 --> 00:10:20,240 we heard her saying "Help me, Please help me." 145 00:10:20,343 --> 00:10:24,762 [♪] 146 00:10:24,865 --> 00:10:26,522 147 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,075 MARIA MILLS: She leaned against the window and she had 148 00:10:28,179 --> 00:10:31,734 a large kitchen knife in her hand. 149 00:10:31,838 --> 00:10:33,494 She just kept repeating the same thing, "please help me, 150 00:10:33,598 --> 00:10:37,775 please help me." 151 00:10:37,878 --> 00:10:43,056 What I think affected me the most was when she leaned up 152 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:47,163 against the car and I saw the handcuffs, because then to me 153 00:10:47,267 --> 00:10:50,304 it wasn't an accident. 154 00:10:50,408 --> 00:10:54,688 It wasn't - she fell through a glass window. 155 00:10:54,792 --> 00:10:59,797 This was something that was serious, and...evil. 156 00:11:04,456 --> 00:11:06,666 NARRATOR: Both Stitch and Pickton were seriously 157 00:11:06,769 --> 00:11:13,603 injured, with multiple stab wounds. 158 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:16,710 Maria Mills called an ambulance for Stitch... 159 00:11:16,814 --> 00:11:21,232 Pickton managed to drive himself to the same hospital. 160 00:11:21,335 --> 00:11:24,580 An orderly found a key in his pocket. 161 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:34,348 It fit the handcuff on Stitch's wrist. 162 00:11:39,422 --> 00:11:41,597 NARRATOR: The RCMP investigated. 163 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,151 Pickton was charged him with four offenses, 164 00:11:44,255 --> 00:11:47,776 including attempted murder. 165 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:50,813 But the prosecutor believed a conviction was unlikely 166 00:11:50,917 --> 00:11:53,678 because Stitch "was a drug user"... 167 00:11:53,782 --> 00:11:57,682 and "credibility would be an issue." 168 00:11:57,786 --> 00:12:00,581 So the charges were not pursued. 169 00:12:00,685 --> 00:12:03,653 Willie Pickton remained a free man. 170 00:12:13,249 --> 00:12:16,528 [♪] 171 00:12:29,921 --> 00:12:32,510 NARRATOR: From Pickton's tape-recorded journal. 172 00:12:59,882 --> 00:13:01,504 NARRATOR: Port Coquitlam is one of Vancouver's 173 00:13:01,608 --> 00:13:07,303 ever-expanding suburbs. 174 00:13:07,407 --> 00:13:11,652 In 1994 and 95, the Pickton family made a fortune selling 175 00:13:11,756 --> 00:13:15,553 off parcels of land to developers. 176 00:13:15,656 --> 00:13:20,454 New houses sprouted like mushrooms. 177 00:13:20,558 --> 00:13:23,043 Willie and his younger brother Dave stayed on what was left 178 00:13:23,147 --> 00:13:26,529 of their property. 179 00:13:26,633 --> 00:13:29,463 As they started getting rich, the farm became a revolving 180 00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:34,054 door for the needy and the greedy. 181 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:37,817 LISA YELDS: Do you know something? 182 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,061 Before Willie and Dave got their money it was generally 183 00:13:41,165 --> 00:13:42,787 a working farm. 184 00:13:42,891 --> 00:13:45,410 After they got their money more people started coming 185 00:13:45,514 --> 00:13:50,899 around, more people started hanging around, and it just 186 00:13:51,002 --> 00:13:53,625 got out of hand because all of the sudden everybody wanted a 187 00:13:53,729 --> 00:13:55,835 piece of the action. 188 00:14:00,909 --> 00:14:02,669 ANDY BELLWOOD: I was just like everybody else that was 189 00:14:02,772 --> 00:14:04,360 hanging around that farm. 190 00:14:04,464 --> 00:14:06,397 We all needed shelter, we needed money, some of the 191 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,054 people needed their drugs, work, or whatever. 192 00:14:08,157 --> 00:14:09,710 It seemed that everybody that hung around that farm all had 193 00:14:09,814 --> 00:14:12,368 a need, all had a want. 194 00:14:13,956 --> 00:14:15,302 LISA YELDS: They call themselves friends but they 195 00:14:15,406 --> 00:14:19,237 basically wanted what they could get out of him for free. 196 00:14:19,341 --> 00:14:22,447 They wanted to borrow money, they wanted vehicles. 197 00:14:22,551 --> 00:14:25,036 They wanted a free ride and not pay him back. 198 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:27,901 They would give him a, a cock and bull story that they "oh 199 00:14:28,005 --> 00:14:30,386 you know I need ten thousand dollars cause I'm I trouble" 200 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:33,217 and Willie would be dumb enough to give it to em. 201 00:14:35,805 --> 00:14:37,497 ANDY BELLWOODS: Willie was supplying all these people's 202 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,466 wants and needs for something. 203 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:44,884 And I believe for some of the people it was helping him 204 00:14:44,987 --> 00:14:47,507 in a lot of bad ways. 205 00:14:49,405 --> 00:14:50,786 NARRATOR: Ways that would allow Pickton 206 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:54,376 to get away with murder. For years. 207 00:14:54,479 --> 00:14:56,654 [♪] 208 00:15:07,216 --> 00:15:10,323 NARRATOR: In 1997, more than a dozen women vanished from 209 00:15:10,426 --> 00:15:15,707 Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. 210 00:15:15,811 --> 00:15:18,296 But the pattern wasn't clear yet, even to those 211 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,643 who lived there. 212 00:15:27,098 --> 00:15:29,859 NARRATOR: 23-year-old Marnie Frey had drifted 213 00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:35,003 a long way from her roots. 214 00:15:35,106 --> 00:15:39,352 LYNN FREY: Marnie was a very healthy, happy, cheerful, just 215 00:15:39,455 --> 00:15:42,803 a normal average young girl. 216 00:15:42,907 --> 00:15:44,460 You know, went to school, went horseback riding, 217 00:15:44,564 --> 00:15:46,738 went swimming. 218 00:15:46,842 --> 00:15:50,363 Just the average household raising a child. 219 00:15:50,466 --> 00:15:51,812 Happy. 220 00:15:51,916 --> 00:15:54,022 NARRATOR: But Marnie got in with a bad crowd in her 221 00:15:54,125 --> 00:15:57,922 teens....started using cocaine and heroin. 222 00:15:58,026 --> 00:15:59,993 LYNN FREY: The few times we did bring Marnie home she was 223 00:16:00,097 --> 00:16:01,408 so sick she couldn't move. 224 00:16:01,512 --> 00:16:04,515 She had the shakes, she was vomiting she had the runs, 225 00:16:04,618 --> 00:16:07,621 I mean it was like a real, real bad flu. 226 00:16:07,725 --> 00:16:11,246 And I, I just couldn't fathom, anybody being in so much pain. 227 00:16:11,349 --> 00:16:13,973 NARRATOR: August 30th, 1997. 228 00:16:14,076 --> 00:16:15,733 Marnie's birthday. 229 00:16:15,836 --> 00:16:19,599 A day she always got in touch with her family. 230 00:16:19,702 --> 00:16:22,119 LYNN FREY: That night that, on her birthday, I thought well 231 00:16:22,222 --> 00:16:23,810 she's probably out partying... 232 00:16:23,913 --> 00:16:26,882 that's why she hasn't called, I guess she's not coming home. 233 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,574 The next day about the same time, I think it was about a 234 00:16:29,678 --> 00:16:31,818 week, week and a half of her not phoning, I started 235 00:16:31,921 --> 00:16:34,510 getting, having really bad dreams at night 236 00:16:34,614 --> 00:16:35,856 that she was in trouble. 237 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,135 Not that she was dead or that she, something 238 00:16:38,238 --> 00:16:39,964 happ-bad-that... 239 00:16:40,068 --> 00:16:41,931 she was in trouble somewhere, and I could hear her crying 240 00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:44,934 and I could hear her scream and she had a scream like 241 00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:48,766 you'd never forget the scream, she's got a good, loud scream. 242 00:16:53,598 --> 00:16:55,117 NARRATOR: Dave Dickson was a beat cop on 243 00:16:55,221 --> 00:16:57,706 the Downtown Eastside. 244 00:16:57,809 --> 00:17:00,950 After almost two decades in the neighborhood, he was used 245 00:17:01,054 --> 00:17:03,677 to people coming and going. 246 00:17:03,781 --> 00:17:07,681 But he was starting to notice a change in the pattern. 247 00:17:07,785 --> 00:17:10,443 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: I would wake up in the middle of 248 00:17:10,546 --> 00:17:12,583 the night, you know, with a certain face or picture 249 00:17:12,686 --> 00:17:14,309 of a girl that I hadn't seen for a while. 250 00:17:14,412 --> 00:17:16,242 Or then somebody, you know, the next day would mention to 251 00:17:16,345 --> 00:17:18,278 me that we haven't seen So-and-So for a while. 252 00:17:18,382 --> 00:17:19,866 So that's sort of how it started and 253 00:17:19,969 --> 00:17:23,076 I started to write names down. 254 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:26,597 There was something happening but I just couldn't say what. 255 00:17:30,118 --> 00:17:31,878 [♪] 256 00:17:31,981 --> 00:17:34,777 NARRATOR: An excerpt from Willie Pickton's audio diary. 257 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:06,913 LISA YELDS: Willie is simple and in some ways he's not. 258 00:18:07,016 --> 00:18:09,571 There's a possibility that I think he does have some 259 00:18:09,674 --> 00:18:12,160 psychiatric problems. 260 00:18:12,263 --> 00:18:15,128 He is slow in a lot of ways where he's not worldly because 261 00:18:15,232 --> 00:18:17,406 it's from non-exposure. 262 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:20,306 So like it's an example when he watches TV, which was very 263 00:18:20,409 --> 00:18:24,896 rare he would get into a show so deep and it would be a 264 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,521 fantasy show about something it was like it was almost like 265 00:18:28,624 --> 00:18:31,317 he was picturing himself there and doing it. 266 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:33,353 That he didn't know the difference at that point 267 00:18:33,457 --> 00:18:36,184 between reality and fantasy. 268 00:18:36,287 --> 00:18:38,841 [♪] 269 00:18:38,945 --> 00:18:41,120 NARRATOR: One person was able to bring Willie out of his 270 00:18:41,223 --> 00:18:45,262 shell, a crack addict he'd first met in the early 90's on 271 00:18:45,365 --> 00:18:48,161 the Downtown East side. 272 00:18:48,265 --> 00:18:51,060 Her name was Gina Houston. 273 00:18:51,164 --> 00:18:53,097 GINA HOUSTON: I always said I was the biggest and best 274 00:18:53,201 --> 00:18:55,306 crack-whore there ever was, but I never, 275 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:57,481 ever had to put out. 276 00:18:57,584 --> 00:18:59,586 I always got the crack with letting the guy think 277 00:18:59,690 --> 00:19:04,004 he's going to get lucky and always left thinking they got 278 00:19:04,108 --> 00:19:05,765 lucky and not realizing that they got 279 00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:08,595 but didn't get laid. 280 00:19:08,699 --> 00:19:11,322 That's the best way to describe it. 281 00:19:11,426 --> 00:19:14,877 NARRATOR: Gina's methods didn't seem to matter to Willie. 282 00:19:14,981 --> 00:19:17,225 He adored her. 283 00:19:17,328 --> 00:19:20,573 GINA HOUSTON: I believe Willie was in love with me. 284 00:19:20,676 --> 00:19:22,575 I've been told that they figure he has me on a pedestal 285 00:19:22,678 --> 00:19:26,095 so high that they just don't know why. 286 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:28,236 I still don't know why. 287 00:19:28,339 --> 00:19:32,481 We talked about getting married lots of times. 288 00:19:32,585 --> 00:19:34,656 Um, he really wanted to get married and have the white 289 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,245 picket fence and the family and everything. 290 00:19:37,348 --> 00:19:40,317 Um... one time after the Vancouver City Police auctions 291 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:43,734 that we worked at, after the, I don't know, last day coming, 292 00:19:43,837 --> 00:19:48,670 when he was driving me home, when I was tired, um, 293 00:19:48,773 --> 00:19:51,120 he'd handed me a ring. 294 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:55,124 And I don't know, I, in my, I was so tired and so exhausted 295 00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:58,990 and I really don't know what I said to him but I remember 296 00:19:59,094 --> 00:20:03,409 saying, "What the do I want with another ring?" 297 00:20:03,512 --> 00:20:07,206 I knew that it was a big boo boo on my part. 298 00:20:09,035 --> 00:20:12,349 LISA FELDS: I have no idea what hold Gina had over 299 00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:18,389 Willie Pickton but I know she was abusing him and using him, 300 00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:22,911 and he just thought the sun shone out her ass. 301 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,741 And you know it's funny because everybody on the farm 302 00:20:25,845 --> 00:20:31,299 could see that she was fleecing him, and nobody could 303 00:20:31,402 --> 00:20:36,096 convince him otherwise, that she as the wrong person 304 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,583 to be around. 305 00:20:39,686 --> 00:20:43,414 What the two of them had together as friends? 306 00:20:43,518 --> 00:20:45,589 I have no idea. 307 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:54,563 NARRATOR: It was now months since Marnie Frey's family 308 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:56,703 had heard from her. 309 00:20:56,807 --> 00:20:59,292 Her stepmother reported her missing to Vancouver City 310 00:20:59,396 --> 00:21:04,953 Police and says the response was anything but sympathetic. 311 00:21:05,056 --> 00:21:06,644 LYNN FREY: I asked the Vancouver city police if they 312 00:21:06,748 --> 00:21:10,441 could contact the Ministry of Social Services and Housing, 313 00:21:10,545 --> 00:21:12,374 when ... to see if her last cheque was picked up or where 314 00:21:12,478 --> 00:21:15,239 she was residing or you know could I get to her apartment 315 00:21:15,343 --> 00:21:18,449 or did she live in a boarding house, where was she living? 316 00:21:18,553 --> 00:21:22,695 But due to confidentiality basically, they didn't tell me 317 00:21:22,798 --> 00:21:26,112 in so many words to shut up or get out, but basically they 318 00:21:26,215 --> 00:21:32,152 told me that there's nothing they could do for me. 319 00:21:32,256 --> 00:21:34,569 NARRATOR: While Lynn Frey was being told there was nothing 320 00:21:34,672 --> 00:21:36,847 police could do, Constable Dickson was 321 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:40,678 trying to get answers. 322 00:21:40,782 --> 00:21:42,611 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: Some of them used to get a, 323 00:21:42,715 --> 00:21:44,406 some money from the St. James Social Services. 324 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:45,925 You know, so I checked with them to see if they'd had any 325 00:21:46,028 --> 00:21:47,478 record of them. 326 00:21:47,582 --> 00:21:49,204 I checked with the different organizations to see if they'd 327 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:50,723 stayed at some of the shelters. 328 00:21:50,826 --> 00:21:52,241 You know, but literally nothing. 329 00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:54,451 And then the final check, you know, was with the Ministry of 330 00:21:54,554 --> 00:21:56,867 Social Services, you know, to see if they'd picked up their 331 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:58,696 social assistance cheque. 332 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,250 But when I checked that, you know, I had to actually go to 333 00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:02,838 the office where they were collecting because the 334 00:22:02,942 --> 00:22:06,739 computer would just show that the file had been closed. 335 00:22:06,842 --> 00:22:08,257 So I had to go to the office where they were actually 336 00:22:08,361 --> 00:22:09,914 collecting the cheque and their computers had 337 00:22:10,018 --> 00:22:11,330 a bit more information. 338 00:22:11,433 --> 00:22:14,160 And in every instance it showed the file was closed 339 00:22:14,263 --> 00:22:16,542 because the cheque was never picked up. 340 00:22:16,645 --> 00:22:18,923 And that for me was, was the, you know, the light went on 341 00:22:19,027 --> 00:22:21,512 and I thought, no that's not right. 342 00:22:21,616 --> 00:22:25,516 NARRATOR: In early 1998, more women disappeared. 343 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:29,693 Kerry Koski in January... 344 00:22:29,796 --> 00:22:35,112 Inga Hall in February. 345 00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:40,462 Then in April, 28-year-old Sarah de Vries. 346 00:22:44,604 --> 00:22:47,193 Unlike some of the others who'd gone missing, 347 00:22:47,296 --> 00:22:50,679 Sarah had vocal advocates. 348 00:22:50,783 --> 00:22:55,132 Among them, the family who'd adopted her as a child. 349 00:22:55,235 --> 00:22:58,480 And a former john from the Downtown Eastside who'd grown 350 00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:02,829 emotionally attached to Sarah. 351 00:23:02,933 --> 00:23:06,385 [♪] 352 00:23:06,488 --> 00:23:08,041 WAYNE LENG: It was a strange relationship, it's not a 353 00:23:08,145 --> 00:23:11,735 relationship I've ever had before like that, I was madly 354 00:23:11,838 --> 00:23:14,220 in love with her and I know that she wasn't madly in love 355 00:23:14,323 --> 00:23:16,567 with me but I know that she loved me as a friend she came 356 00:23:16,671 --> 00:23:20,053 to trust me you know and I meant a lot and she shared all 357 00:23:20,157 --> 00:23:21,814 of her poetry with me. 358 00:23:21,917 --> 00:23:25,749 She shared her writing with me, uh, her sketches, 359 00:23:25,852 --> 00:23:28,476 all of that sort of thing, and her life. 360 00:23:34,482 --> 00:23:36,967 In my estimation the Vancouver Police Department really 361 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:39,348 dropped the ball on the missing women issue. 362 00:23:40,349 --> 00:23:42,179 We had no idea at that time how many women 363 00:23:42,282 --> 00:23:44,802 had gone missing. 364 00:23:44,906 --> 00:23:46,528 And as far as they were concerned it seemed, they were 365 00:23:46,632 --> 00:23:48,634 transients and they moved on to other cities. 366 00:23:48,737 --> 00:23:50,152 You know, that sort of thing. 367 00:23:50,256 --> 00:23:52,879 They did not pay a lot of attention to it. 368 00:23:52,983 --> 00:23:58,126 They didn't seem to be interested. 369 00:23:58,229 --> 00:24:00,439 When Sarah went missing I had decided probably about 3 weeks 370 00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:03,303 to a month later that, uh, I was gonna start a 371 00:24:03,407 --> 00:24:08,550 poster campaign and that's what I did. 372 00:24:08,654 --> 00:24:10,690 I thought that that was the only way to get something out 373 00:24:10,794 --> 00:24:13,624 there to get people to take notice and so I started 374 00:24:13,728 --> 00:24:16,109 printing up a pile of posters and I started giving them out 375 00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:18,940 to friends of Sarah's and to other people. 376 00:24:19,043 --> 00:24:21,563 And I continued this week after week after week. 377 00:24:26,568 --> 00:24:28,190 NARRATOR: Sarah de Vries name was added to the 378 00:24:28,294 --> 00:24:30,054 growing list of missing women that 379 00:24:30,158 --> 00:24:33,195 Constable Dave Dickson was compiling... 380 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:37,717 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: And it took me a few months, 381 00:24:37,821 --> 00:24:40,686 to finally come up with a list of 31 names. 382 00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:42,584 And when I did the checks on all the different names, 383 00:24:42,688 --> 00:24:44,690 I came to the conclusion that there was something happening 384 00:24:44,793 --> 00:24:47,589 but I just couldn't say what. 385 00:24:47,693 --> 00:24:49,867 My concern was these girls had literally dropped off 386 00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:53,630 the face of the earth. 387 00:24:53,733 --> 00:24:55,942 And I got the bad feeling that there just wasn't something, 388 00:24:56,046 --> 00:24:58,358 you know, quite right about that. 389 00:25:04,019 --> 00:25:05,987 NARRATOR: Constable Dave Dickson believed he'd gathered 390 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:09,784 enough evidence about missing women to take his concerns up 391 00:25:09,887 --> 00:25:13,857 the chain of command. 392 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,238 STAFF SGT. DOUG MACKAY-DUNN [RET]: It was about June of 98. 393 00:25:16,342 --> 00:25:18,413 Dave came to me in the office. 394 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,174 And he told me he was concerned that there 395 00:25:21,278 --> 00:25:23,176 was women were missing. 396 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,731 I talked to my wife who was a nurse-who is a nurse working 397 00:25:25,834 --> 00:25:30,529 in the city jail and also at 222 Main Street. 398 00:25:30,632 --> 00:25:32,427 And I asked her if - because she does triage, 399 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:37,294 I asked her have you noticed any of your quote "girls" 400 00:25:37,397 --> 00:25:38,951 that suddenly aren't there any more. 401 00:25:39,054 --> 00:25:40,677 And she said "yeah, I noticed a couple of girls 402 00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:42,299 I haven't seen in a time". 403 00:25:42,402 --> 00:25:50,479 So that sort of underscored David's argument. 404 00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:52,999 NARRATOR: Mackay-Dunn decided to share what he'd learned 405 00:25:53,103 --> 00:25:55,761 with Detective Inspector Kim Rossmo, 406 00:25:55,864 --> 00:26:00,248 an expert in statistical analysis and on serial killers. 407 00:26:04,252 --> 00:26:06,150 D.I. KIM ROSSMO [RET]: The argument that these women 408 00:26:06,254 --> 00:26:09,360 were just missing to me did not make much sense. 409 00:26:09,464 --> 00:26:13,019 One of the, um analyses I thought would be valuable - 410 00:26:13,123 --> 00:26:15,919 would be to go back twenty years and find out how many 411 00:26:16,022 --> 00:26:21,062 unfound missing women we had from that area over time. 412 00:26:21,165 --> 00:26:23,340 In other words, let's establish a base rate, see 413 00:26:23,443 --> 00:26:26,481 what is normal, rather than just our theories 414 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,207 or our conjectures. 415 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:32,901 When I did that, I found that for the years 1978 to 1994, we 416 00:26:33,005 --> 00:26:37,319 had zero, one, or two missing women unfound. 417 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:42,670 NARRATOR: According to Rossmo's analysis, the number 418 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:45,431 of women missing in the previous 2 years was 419 00:26:45,534 --> 00:26:49,228 statistically significant. 420 00:26:49,331 --> 00:26:53,715 The numbers had spiked dramatically. 421 00:26:53,819 --> 00:26:55,993 D.I. KIM ROSSMO [RET]: Something is happening. 422 00:26:56,097 --> 00:26:59,721 Why is it happening post-1995 but not before. 423 00:26:59,825 --> 00:27:06,210 Why aren't any bodies being found, and why only women? 424 00:27:06,314 --> 00:27:08,834 NARRATOR: Rossmo would later claim that some of his bosses 425 00:27:08,937 --> 00:27:11,146 did not re-act quickly enough to the possibility 426 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:13,735 of a serial killer. 427 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:19,258 The brass' response also disappointed Constable Dickson. 428 00:27:19,361 --> 00:27:21,570 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: There were some attitudes at the 429 00:27:21,674 --> 00:27:23,503 table that, you know, we don't have any evidence of anything 430 00:27:23,607 --> 00:27:25,609 happening, we don't have any crime scenes or we don't have 431 00:27:25,713 --> 00:27:27,542 any bodies or comments like, you know, most of them have 432 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,062 probably just moved to other cities. 433 00:27:30,165 --> 00:27:32,374 Some of the comments were upsetting. 434 00:27:32,478 --> 00:27:34,480 You know, and somebody said that you can't say they're 435 00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:36,827 related but I came back with, well you can't say they're not 436 00:27:36,931 --> 00:27:39,243 related, but I said they at least deserve to be looked at. 437 00:27:40,555 --> 00:27:42,799 NARRATOR: The department's official position: there was 438 00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:45,802 no real proof the missing women were dead, no physical 439 00:27:45,905 --> 00:27:50,392 evidence on which to base a homicide investigation. 440 00:27:50,496 --> 00:27:53,085 Instead, they assigned an extra officer to 441 00:27:53,188 --> 00:27:55,604 the missing persons unit. 442 00:27:55,708 --> 00:27:58,677 But the '90s were a time of severe cutbacks, 443 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:01,818 so from the start, the unit was under-resourced 444 00:28:01,921 --> 00:28:03,647 and overwhelmed. 445 00:28:39,994 --> 00:28:43,445 DAVE YELDS: Willie had a real, kind of weird 446 00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:45,102 sense of humour, really. 447 00:28:45,206 --> 00:28:47,311 He'd go in there if he was slaughtering pigs that night. 448 00:28:47,415 --> 00:28:51,350 He'd grab, I mean, pig guts or pieces of the pig 449 00:28:51,453 --> 00:28:53,835 and chase you around with it. 450 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:58,564 LISA YELDS: What he did, is he um, cut the, um, penis off and 451 00:28:58,667 --> 00:29:03,155 made a belt around the skin and he'd tie it 452 00:29:03,258 --> 00:29:04,743 around his waist. 453 00:29:04,846 --> 00:29:08,850 My ex-husband was bending over and he walked up 454 00:29:08,954 --> 00:29:10,472 and goosed him with it. 455 00:29:12,923 --> 00:29:14,960 DAVE YELDS: And he'd do that just to bug me all the time. 456 00:29:15,063 --> 00:29:20,793 457 00:29:20,897 --> 00:29:22,450 GINA HOUSTON: You know when everyone says your inner 458 00:29:22,553 --> 00:29:25,625 child; well his inner child did come out. 459 00:29:25,729 --> 00:29:29,043 And he, um, liked toys and stuffed animals and this is 460 00:29:29,146 --> 00:29:31,804 one of the ones he bought for my daughter Keisha. 461 00:29:31,908 --> 00:29:35,359 It used to have, um a voice box and even though the 462 00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:38,328 batteries were dead and the voice box turned off, when 463 00:29:38,431 --> 00:29:40,744 Keisha got upset or whatever it would still laugh it 464 00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:42,677 sounded just like Willie and it would bring, 465 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:44,783 it would humour her. 466 00:29:44,886 --> 00:29:46,508 Somebody stole the voice box out of him though, but... 467 00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:49,511 Keisha calls this her Willie bear. 468 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:53,308 And it does, when it laughs it sounds just like Willie. 469 00:29:53,412 --> 00:29:55,103 It's so cute. 470 00:29:55,207 --> 00:29:56,587 And piggies. 471 00:29:56,691 --> 00:29:58,658 He always bought the kids piggies. 472 00:29:58,762 --> 00:30:00,971 This one... 473 00:30:01,075 --> 00:30:05,942 474 00:30:17,194 --> 00:30:20,404 NARRATOR: Months went by and Wayne Leng heard nothing from 475 00:30:20,508 --> 00:30:23,407 his friend Sarah de Vries. 476 00:30:23,511 --> 00:30:28,827 His tip line had become a magnet for freaks and hoaxes. 477 00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:31,415 But one call sounded genuine. 478 00:30:34,694 --> 00:30:36,662 WAYNE LENG: I got this one particular call from this 479 00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:42,254 fellow named Bill, who told me this crazy story about 480 00:30:42,357 --> 00:30:46,223 a pig farmer named Willie. 481 00:30:46,327 --> 00:30:49,088 And he knew somebody out on the farm there, a woman out on 482 00:30:49,192 --> 00:30:53,403 the farm he didn't name her but he did say that she was a 483 00:30:53,506 --> 00:30:55,646 friend of Willie's and she cleaned for Willie 484 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:57,027 and this sort of thing. 485 00:30:57,131 --> 00:31:02,032 And that she had told him that Willie in his mobile home had 486 00:31:02,136 --> 00:31:04,379 woman's clothing and woman's identification, some clothing 487 00:31:04,483 --> 00:31:06,519 with blood on them. 488 00:31:06,623 --> 00:31:07,900 And that somebody should check this guy out cuz 489 00:31:08,004 --> 00:31:09,695 he's really weird. 490 00:31:09,798 --> 00:31:12,594 There might be something going on out there. 491 00:31:14,182 --> 00:31:16,391 NARRATOR: The caller was Bill Hiscox. 492 00:31:16,495 --> 00:31:20,499 His connection to the farm was Pickton's friend, Lisa Yelds. 493 00:31:23,088 --> 00:31:25,021 BILL HISCOX: A lot of the things that I heard from Lisa 494 00:31:25,124 --> 00:31:27,782 happened when I wasn't there but she was finding stuff that 495 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:33,098 just wasn't making sense: ID's clothing, stuff like that, 496 00:31:33,201 --> 00:31:35,824 that Willie had told her just to burn and get rid of that 497 00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:38,172 they, it meant nothing to him basically. 498 00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:40,484 I started getting a little, a little antsy and she looked at 499 00:31:40,588 --> 00:31:42,659 me and she just basically said to me 500 00:31:42,762 --> 00:31:46,939 "Bill, I think this is where all the women are going". 501 00:31:47,043 --> 00:31:51,426 And I says you know what man, who's gonna make the call here 502 00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:54,257 because if that's the truth man and that's what's really 503 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,364 going on someone's gotta stop this, somebody needs to stop 504 00:31:58,468 --> 00:32:00,263 what's going on here. 505 00:32:00,366 --> 00:32:02,023 And she said "well, I'm not gonna do it". 506 00:32:02,127 --> 00:32:03,922 I said "well I'm gonna do it then" and I don't care at 507 00:32:04,025 --> 00:32:07,028 whatever cost I'm gonna do it. 508 00:32:09,306 --> 00:32:12,137 NARRATOR: So police went to Lisa Yelds, hoping to verify 509 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,829 Hiscox's statement. 510 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:20,110 And she denied everything Hiscox had said. 511 00:32:20,214 --> 00:32:22,078 LISA YELDS: The reason I didn't say much to the cops, 512 00:32:22,181 --> 00:32:25,564 and they make take it as stonewalling, is for one, 513 00:32:25,667 --> 00:32:27,393 I hate cops. 514 00:32:27,497 --> 00:32:32,019 And two, I didn't see anything. 515 00:32:32,122 --> 00:32:35,160 You give a cop an inch, they take a mile. 516 00:32:35,263 --> 00:32:37,300 They turn around, take the story twist it ten ways to 517 00:32:37,403 --> 00:32:39,923 Sunday and blow it up. 518 00:32:40,027 --> 00:32:43,478 So then you're sitting in a pile of [beep] which you didn't 519 00:32:43,582 --> 00:32:45,964 even say in the first [beep] place, 520 00:32:46,067 --> 00:32:49,968 and they're twisting it in your face. 521 00:32:50,071 --> 00:32:52,039 NARRATOR: Only Yelds knows exactly what she did 522 00:32:52,142 --> 00:32:55,145 or didn't see in the trailer. 523 00:32:55,249 --> 00:32:58,114 What is certain - Hiscox's hearsay was not enough 524 00:32:58,217 --> 00:33:00,771 for a search warrant. 525 00:33:00,875 --> 00:33:03,015 Police needed an eyewitness account from 526 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,155 Lisa Yelds to get one. 527 00:33:05,259 --> 00:33:09,090 Without a warrant, a search would be illegal. 528 00:33:09,194 --> 00:33:11,368 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: Any evidence that is found to be 529 00:33:11,472 --> 00:33:14,544 obtained illegally would not be admissible. 530 00:33:14,647 --> 00:33:17,685 And you know your chances of getting a conviction 531 00:33:17,788 --> 00:33:20,964 then so fall to zero. 532 00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:23,518 The average Joe can meander onto somebody's property and 533 00:33:23,622 --> 00:33:27,902 look in a window and see something but a policeman, 534 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,043 if he steps onto somebody's property, he has to have 535 00:33:31,147 --> 00:33:34,219 grounds for doing that. 536 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,292 NARRATOR: The Hiscox tip was intriguing, but it was 537 00:33:38,395 --> 00:33:42,054 one of many possibilities. 538 00:33:42,158 --> 00:33:43,711 If the women had been murdered, 539 00:33:43,814 --> 00:33:45,954 was a single killer responsible? 540 00:33:46,058 --> 00:33:49,855 Or several different predators? 541 00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:53,721 Homicide detective Ron Lepine was assigned to draw up 542 00:33:53,824 --> 00:33:55,481 a list of possible suspects. 543 00:33:58,312 --> 00:33:59,968 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: So we're looking at people who have 544 00:34:00,072 --> 00:34:03,903 shown violence towards prostitutes or maybe even 545 00:34:04,007 --> 00:34:07,148 violence towards women in general. 546 00:34:07,252 --> 00:34:08,736 NARRATOR: There was no shortage of criminals fitting 547 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:11,049 that description. 548 00:34:11,152 --> 00:34:13,154 Dozens of men had been convicted for attacking or 549 00:34:13,258 --> 00:34:16,226 killing prostitutes. 550 00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:18,159 There were dozens more who'd been charged 551 00:34:18,263 --> 00:34:20,334 but not convicted... 552 00:34:20,437 --> 00:34:22,025 Like Willie Pickton. 553 00:34:23,751 --> 00:34:25,270 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: We had a whole wall of names, 554 00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:27,237 you know, and, and some people had actually 555 00:34:27,341 --> 00:34:30,827 killed women before and gone to jail for it. 556 00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:32,725 You know, so I mean there was other people that 557 00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:35,694 I thought were better suspects. 558 00:34:35,797 --> 00:34:37,903 NARRATOR: As police struggled to narrow the scope of their 559 00:34:38,006 --> 00:34:42,804 mission, women continued to disappear. 560 00:34:46,601 --> 00:34:49,363 NARRATOR: In early 1999, Willie Pickton was on 561 00:34:49,466 --> 00:34:54,437 Vancouver Police radar, but he was one of many. 562 00:35:34,442 --> 00:35:36,341 NARRATOR: New faces were joining the ever-changing 563 00:35:36,444 --> 00:35:41,553 circle of need on the pig farm. 564 00:35:41,656 --> 00:35:44,659 The latest addition - an unemployed fisherman fresh out 565 00:35:44,763 --> 00:35:48,249 of treatment for his heroin addiction. 566 00:35:48,353 --> 00:35:51,873 Andy Bellwood had met a friend of Gina Houston in rehab, 567 00:35:51,977 --> 00:35:53,841 who introduced him to Willie. 568 00:35:56,188 --> 00:35:57,948 ANDY BELLWOOD: He was a, he seemed to be a very generous 569 00:35:58,052 --> 00:36:01,262 caring person that seemed to understand my situation that, 570 00:36:01,366 --> 00:36:06,060 um somebody that you would grow very close 571 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:08,649 to very quickly. 572 00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:13,792 Especially, you know in a time of desperation, 573 00:36:13,895 --> 00:36:16,139 which I would call in my life. 574 00:36:16,243 --> 00:36:19,487 Um, Finishing 6 months of treatment, I was feeling 575 00:36:19,591 --> 00:36:22,732 pretty down and out at that time, and uh, 576 00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:27,081 you know desperate to get back onto my feet. 577 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:34,468 He offered me, you know, odd jobs, you know, 578 00:36:34,571 --> 00:36:36,884 "I'll pay you 50 bucks to clean up this scrap metal". 579 00:36:36,987 --> 00:36:40,059 Or you know, "give me a hand fixing my pick-up truck", and 580 00:36:40,163 --> 00:36:43,442 it never amounted to much-50 to 100 dollars here and there. 581 00:36:43,546 --> 00:36:46,859 Just sporadic. 582 00:36:46,963 --> 00:36:49,103 We spent hours, talking and talking, and talking. 583 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:53,349 It was a relationship that grew very, very quickly and it 584 00:36:53,452 --> 00:36:57,491 seemed to grow very close. 585 00:36:57,594 --> 00:37:00,218 I think he trusted me. 586 00:37:03,945 --> 00:37:06,327 NARRATOR: While Bellwood was staying in the trailer, 587 00:37:06,431 --> 00:37:08,433 Pickton continued to play white knight to the 588 00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:11,850 down-and-out, taking in another addict, 589 00:37:11,953 --> 00:37:14,301 who'd been kicked out of a women's shelter 590 00:37:14,404 --> 00:37:16,061 for using drugs. 591 00:37:16,164 --> 00:37:20,548 She'd also met Pickton through Gina Houston. 592 00:37:20,652 --> 00:37:23,033 LYNN ELLINGSON: I thought it was great. 593 00:37:23,137 --> 00:37:25,484 I thought it was great to be on the pig farm at the, 594 00:37:25,588 --> 00:37:29,592 at the beginning, um, it was too good to be true. 595 00:37:29,695 --> 00:37:32,353 You know, like ah I only had to do, you know, I didn't 596 00:37:32,457 --> 00:37:35,218 really have to work that hard to make that much money, you 597 00:37:35,322 --> 00:37:39,671 know, I'm used to busting my ass to to try and make my ends 598 00:37:39,774 --> 00:37:42,156 meet by the end of the day. 599 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:45,124 And, um, you know, I just had to sit and talk on the phone 600 00:37:45,228 --> 00:37:48,542 and take faxes and I thought it was great to have this kind 601 00:37:48,645 --> 00:37:53,685 of money, and now having this kind of money, um, of course 602 00:37:53,788 --> 00:37:59,242 my addiction was becoming a high habit a day. 603 00:37:59,346 --> 00:38:03,108 Instead of, you know, opposed to a 20 rock a day, well he's 604 00:38:03,211 --> 00:38:05,662 giving me a couple hundred dollars a day, so, I'm using a 605 00:38:05,766 --> 00:38:10,391 couple hundred dollars a day. 606 00:38:10,495 --> 00:38:15,672 It got to the point that I was always high now. 607 00:38:16,397 --> 00:38:18,019 NARRATOR: Andy Bellwood had been staying at the trailer 608 00:38:18,123 --> 00:38:20,712 for a month, when his relationship with 609 00:38:20,815 --> 00:38:24,198 Pickton took an ominous turn. 610 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:30,031 ANDY BELLWOOD: So I was sitting in this chair watching 611 00:38:30,135 --> 00:38:36,521 TV and Willie'd come through the door behind me, proceeded 612 00:38:36,624 --> 00:38:44,287 into the bedroom, sat on the corner of his bed and 613 00:38:44,391 --> 00:38:50,086 he continued to start a conversation with me as, 614 00:38:50,189 --> 00:38:51,881 "Andy, do you want to get a hooker? 615 00:38:51,984 --> 00:38:54,262 Let's go get a hooker." 616 00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:57,990 And I just sat in the chair looking at him saying, 617 00:38:58,094 --> 00:39:01,131 "No, I don't want to get a hooker, Willie, I'm not into 618 00:39:01,235 --> 00:39:03,202 getting hookers." 619 00:39:03,306 --> 00:39:05,308 "Come one Andy, let's get a hooker." 620 00:39:05,412 --> 00:39:07,793 "No, Willie, I don't want to get a hooker." 621 00:39:07,897 --> 00:39:10,762 Tried to keep contact with the TV. 622 00:39:10,865 --> 00:39:14,697 Willie got up from the corner of the bed and he says, 623 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,872 "Andy", he says, "you know what I do with hookers?" 624 00:39:17,976 --> 00:39:24,810 And he grabbed three items like this, one being 625 00:39:24,914 --> 00:39:30,885 a leather belt, and a piece of wire of some kind, 626 00:39:30,989 --> 00:39:37,513 and a pair of handcuffs. 627 00:39:37,616 --> 00:39:41,309 He preceded onto his knees onto the bed, and pretended 628 00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:48,455 there was a woman in front of him, stroking their hair. 629 00:39:48,558 --> 00:39:55,116 He motioned with his left hand grabbing an arm that wasn't 630 00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:58,913 really there and then with his other hand he pretended 631 00:39:59,017 --> 00:40:01,260 to slip on handcuffs. 632 00:40:01,364 --> 00:40:08,371 Once he got the handcuffs on, he grabbed his belt and he 633 00:40:08,475 --> 00:40:12,444 motioned about getting this belt on their neck, stroking 634 00:40:12,548 --> 00:40:16,137 their hair, saying, "It's was all going to be alright and 635 00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:18,761 was gonna be all over now". 636 00:40:18,864 --> 00:40:24,560 He got up from the bed sat back down and looked at me and 637 00:40:24,663 --> 00:40:27,355 said, "do you know how much people bleed? 638 00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:30,358 You wouldn't believe how much people bleed." 639 00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:33,258 He says after that, he says that "I take them to the barn, 640 00:40:33,361 --> 00:40:39,540 hang them and gut 'em". 641 00:40:39,644 --> 00:40:42,440 I think that he thought that I was deep enough in my 642 00:40:42,543 --> 00:40:46,961 addiction that I would probably go along with it. 643 00:40:47,065 --> 00:40:51,587 And if I went along with it part way well then maybe 644 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:55,763 I'm already partway, now I'm going to go all the way.... 645 00:41:02,149 --> 00:41:05,083 NARRATOR: Four days after that conversation, Bellwood got 646 00:41:05,186 --> 00:41:10,088 a surprise visit from two of Pickton's associates. 647 00:41:10,191 --> 00:41:11,814 ANDY BELLWOOD: ..and they said, "We want to speak 648 00:41:11,917 --> 00:41:13,540 to you in the trailer." 649 00:41:13,643 --> 00:41:16,439 And I thought, oh ok, sure why not? 650 00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:18,130 I didn't think anything of it. 651 00:41:18,234 --> 00:41:20,616 I hadn't done anything wrong. 652 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,619 I followed them into the trailer, and as soon as I sat 653 00:41:23,722 --> 00:41:30,798 down Lynn Ellingsen's boyfriend hit me. 654 00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,318 They said "you had stolen equipment out 655 00:41:33,421 --> 00:41:36,735 of Willie's trailer". 656 00:41:36,839 --> 00:41:38,461 "What are you talking about? 657 00:41:38,565 --> 00:41:44,156 I never stole anything out of your trailer." 658 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:48,264 I think it was just a scare tactic to scare me away from 659 00:41:48,367 --> 00:41:52,371 ever opening my mouth about what happened between me 660 00:41:52,475 --> 00:41:54,753 and Mr. Pickton. 661 00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:09,872 NARRATOR: Bellwood wanted nothing more to do with the 662 00:42:09,975 --> 00:42:12,530 farm and its secrets. 663 00:42:12,633 --> 00:42:16,085 He didn't want to attract police attention either. 664 00:42:16,188 --> 00:42:19,778 So he caught the next ferry to Vancouver Island, convincing 665 00:42:19,882 --> 00:42:21,849 himself that justice would somehow take 666 00:42:21,953 --> 00:42:25,128 its course without him. 667 00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:29,512 ANDY BELLWOODS: If he is actually killing people, 668 00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:33,136 the police will catch him because people don't kill people 669 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,623 without getting caught, really not my mind ever thinking at 670 00:42:36,726 --> 00:42:39,453 the time that he could be a serial killer 671 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,940 or anything like that. 672 00:42:44,044 --> 00:42:47,254 And I took you know people's advice, don't look back, 673 00:42:47,357 --> 00:42:50,775 keep going, move on and forget about it. 674 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,993 NARRATOR: What Bellwood didn't know, police already had 675 00:43:02,096 --> 00:43:06,722 Pickton on a list of possible suspects based on his run-on 676 00:43:06,825 --> 00:43:12,244 with Stitch in 1997. 677 00:43:12,348 --> 00:43:14,281 Information from Bellwood could have put Pickton 678 00:43:14,384 --> 00:43:19,493 higher on that list. 679 00:43:21,564 --> 00:43:23,462 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: Had that information come forward 680 00:43:23,566 --> 00:43:24,740 absolutely, that would be critical at the time. 681 00:43:24,843 --> 00:43:26,949 And we were looking for anything along that line, 682 00:43:27,052 --> 00:43:28,916 I assure you. 683 00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:30,849 It would give us stronger grounds to go for that 684 00:43:30,953 --> 00:43:34,612 all-important search warrants that we required, and ah, and 685 00:43:34,715 --> 00:43:37,166 more of that sort of thing would have 686 00:43:37,269 --> 00:43:38,616 certainly assisted us. 687 00:43:48,867 --> 00:43:51,076 NARRATOR: Bellwood claims that Lynn Ellingsen was present 688 00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:52,699 at the beating. 689 00:43:52,802 --> 00:43:54,286 She denies it. 690 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:56,254 Whatever the truth, the beating apparently 691 00:43:56,357 --> 00:43:58,152 didn't scare her. 692 00:43:58,256 --> 00:44:01,742 A few days after Andy left, she went downtown with Willie 693 00:44:01,846 --> 00:44:04,469 to pick up a hooker... 694 00:44:04,572 --> 00:44:08,197 A choice that would have horrific consequences. 695 00:44:17,413 --> 00:44:19,449 NARRATOR: Willie Pickton was looking for a prostitute on 696 00:44:19,553 --> 00:44:22,038 the Downtown Eastside. 697 00:44:22,142 --> 00:44:25,041 He'd brought his latest houseguest along for the ride. 698 00:44:27,526 --> 00:44:29,874 LYNN ELLINGSON: I remember him stopping and this, this girl 699 00:44:29,977 --> 00:44:32,911 came up and, um, he leaned over me, and propositioned 700 00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:35,431 her, she looked at me and she said 701 00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:37,709 "are you going back there?", 702 00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:40,850 and I said "yah, I'm staying out there". 703 00:44:40,954 --> 00:44:42,990 So she goes "okay well, as long as 704 00:44:43,094 --> 00:44:45,441 you're gonna be there, I'll go". 705 00:44:45,544 --> 00:44:54,726 She got in the truck. 706 00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:57,418 We had all of our drugs now and we got some booze, 707 00:44:57,522 --> 00:44:59,662 and we're happy, right? 708 00:44:59,766 --> 00:45:02,285 We're nice and dry and, and Willie says 709 00:45:02,389 --> 00:45:07,877 "Well, which one first"? 710 00:45:07,981 --> 00:45:11,432 So, they went down to the room and, um, I went down to my 711 00:45:11,536 --> 00:45:21,511 room, and for some odd reason, something was telling, 712 00:45:21,891 --> 00:45:24,722 like brought me out of my room. 713 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,454 I didn't hear a word or anything, so I - I walked 714 00:45:33,558 --> 00:45:37,113 right down to the door and I opened up the door and there 715 00:45:37,217 --> 00:45:42,360 was nobody in the room, there was just clothes in the room. 716 00:45:46,709 --> 00:45:50,333 And all I remember was seeing a light out of the corner of 717 00:45:50,437 --> 00:45:55,787 my eye, there was a light on in that barn, and that was the 718 00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:00,343 barn where he butchered his pigs. 719 00:46:03,277 --> 00:46:09,559 LYNN ELLINGSON: So I, um, I started walking towards the barn 720 00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:24,436 ....And, um, I walked right up to the barn door, and 721 00:46:25,368 --> 00:46:33,307 I pushed the door open, and that's when I seen the woman - 722 00:46:33,411 --> 00:46:39,693 she was already hanging. 723 00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:42,592 He pulled me inside the, inside the door behind, 724 00:46:42,696 --> 00:46:45,768 right where the freezer used to sit, behind the door. 725 00:46:47,218 --> 00:46:51,739 And he made me stand at the table and tell me that if 726 00:46:51,843 --> 00:47:00,403 I said anything, that I'd be right beside her. 727 00:47:00,507 --> 00:47:03,959 It was almost like my whole body froze. 728 00:47:04,062 --> 00:47:08,998 And I just remember, um, being very scared. 729 00:47:09,102 --> 00:47:11,311 "What am I going to do?" 730 00:47:11,414 --> 00:47:14,901 And the first thing that, that came out was: "Don't worry, 731 00:47:15,004 --> 00:47:17,938 I won't say a word, like whatever you do, 732 00:47:18,042 --> 00:47:20,458 I just need money for drugs". 733 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,616 NARRATOR: On the Downtown Eastside, 734 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,516 more women had vanished. 735 00:48:18,619 --> 00:48:21,001 Brenda Wolfe was one of them. 736 00:48:21,105 --> 00:48:23,107 But it would be another year before anyone reported 737 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:24,936 her missing. 738 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,285 If she had gone to the farm, nobody noticed. 739 00:48:29,389 --> 00:48:32,081 Ellingsen's description of the woman she and Pickton picked 740 00:48:32,185 --> 00:48:36,085 up seems to best match Georgina Papin. 741 00:48:36,189 --> 00:48:37,155 Dark hair. 742 00:48:37,259 --> 00:48:39,054 High cheekbones. 743 00:48:39,157 --> 00:48:43,161 She, too, disappeared in early 1999. 744 00:48:43,265 --> 00:48:46,268 At that time, officers assigned to the missing 745 00:48:46,371 --> 00:48:51,514 women's case were drowning in a flood of possible suspects. 746 00:48:52,688 --> 00:48:54,828 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: The list was growing, I would say 747 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:57,969 close to around 100 of, of potential people. 748 00:48:58,073 --> 00:49:01,352 And the amount of, you know, prostitutes that were being 749 00:49:01,455 --> 00:49:03,837 found to be missing was growing. 750 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:08,566 And it became, it started to mushroom. 751 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:13,847 NARRATOR: And public pressure exploded... 752 00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:15,918 Hundreds turned out for a memorial to 753 00:49:16,022 --> 00:49:18,162 those who'd disappeared. 754 00:49:18,265 --> 00:49:23,788 One unforgettable face in the crowd - Sereena Abbotsway, 755 00:49:23,891 --> 00:49:25,617 back on the street after being beaten almost 756 00:49:25,721 --> 00:49:28,793 to death by a bad john. 757 00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:30,484 She was pretty sure she'd be able to see 758 00:49:30,588 --> 00:49:33,142 the next one coming. 759 00:49:33,246 --> 00:49:34,833 MEDIA: Are you worried some stranger picking you up? 760 00:49:34,937 --> 00:49:36,939 Like what if there is somebody going around murdering 761 00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:38,458 all these girls? 762 00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:39,942 Aren't you worried about the next trick 763 00:49:40,046 --> 00:49:41,668 involved might be him? 764 00:49:41,771 --> 00:49:43,532 SEREENA ABBOTSWAY: Yah, but I always go on 765 00:49:43,635 --> 00:49:45,189 my 6th sense, yah. 766 00:49:45,292 --> 00:49:47,398 If I don't like the way the guy is, 767 00:49:47,501 --> 00:49:50,573 then I won't go with him. 768 00:49:56,131 --> 00:49:58,271 NARRATOR: By now, the missing women were getting a lot of 769 00:49:58,374 --> 00:50:04,346 media coverage. 770 00:50:04,449 --> 00:50:08,419 Even 'America's Most Wanted' did a story. 771 00:50:08,522 --> 00:50:11,146 The show's host posed alongside politicians and 772 00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:15,667 police to publicize a reward. 773 00:50:19,223 --> 00:50:21,018 HOST: And if there is a cunning serial killer in this area 774 00:50:21,121 --> 00:50:23,123 or somebody that has been able to 775 00:50:23,227 --> 00:50:25,712 abduct women over a period of time, like the Green River 776 00:50:25,815 --> 00:50:28,749 killer in Seattle, and dispose of bodies, then this is this 777 00:50:28,853 --> 00:50:32,339 is a way to get some information. 778 00:50:32,443 --> 00:50:35,170 NARRATOR: Publicly, police continued to emphasize that 779 00:50:35,273 --> 00:50:36,757 there were no bodies... 780 00:50:36,861 --> 00:50:39,381 no concrete evidence of murder. 781 00:50:40,002 --> 00:50:41,797 MEDIA: In the Case of these missing Woman, 782 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:43,626 we don't have a suspect. 783 00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:46,284 In fact we don't have a crime. 784 00:50:46,388 --> 00:50:47,837 MEDIA: We have no evidence whatsoever of 785 00:50:47,941 --> 00:50:50,806 any crime being committed. 786 00:50:50,909 --> 00:50:53,878 NARRATOR: But behind the scenes that very same week, 787 00:50:53,981 --> 00:50:56,743 Vancouver Police were working with RCMP 788 00:50:56,846 --> 00:50:59,815 on a possible breakthrough. 789 00:51:05,234 --> 00:51:08,479 NARRATOR: In the summer of 99, Vancouver Police received a 790 00:51:08,582 --> 00:51:12,138 tip from an associate of Willie Pickton. 791 00:51:12,241 --> 00:51:15,624 An informant who claimed he'd heard a disturbing story 792 00:51:15,727 --> 00:51:17,315 from Lynn Ellingsen. 793 00:51:19,628 --> 00:51:20,594 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: He's telling us what 794 00:51:20,698 --> 00:51:22,113 Ellingson had said. 795 00:51:22,217 --> 00:51:24,943 And basically he's saying that she said she saw, you know, 796 00:51:25,047 --> 00:51:27,498 stumbled into the barn and saw something hanging on the, on 797 00:51:27,601 --> 00:51:31,640 the hook and she didn't think it was a pig and that, you 798 00:51:31,743 --> 00:51:35,989 know, and that Pickton was in there and he was cutting away 799 00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:39,613 at the, whatever the object was on the, on the hook. 800 00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:43,893 NARRATOR: But the informant, Ross Caldwell, 801 00:51:43,997 --> 00:51:45,826 had a credibility problem. 802 00:51:47,518 --> 00:51:49,071 DET. RON LEPINE: The problem with Ross was is he was 803 00:51:49,175 --> 00:51:52,454 obviously he was an old time drug addict. 804 00:51:52,557 --> 00:51:54,973 He was, uh, fighting, struggling with the addiction 805 00:51:55,077 --> 00:51:57,873 and his thought process was not exactly 806 00:51:57,976 --> 00:52:00,876 in a chronological order. 807 00:52:02,636 --> 00:52:03,982 NARRATOR: Lepine believed Caldwell was 808 00:52:04,086 --> 00:52:05,639 telling the truth. 809 00:52:05,743 --> 00:52:07,641 But he had to persuade the informant to make an official 810 00:52:07,745 --> 00:52:11,990 statement at the RCMP headquarters in Coquitlam- 811 00:52:12,094 --> 00:52:15,615 because Pickton's property was on their home turf. 812 00:52:17,548 --> 00:52:21,966 NARRATOR: That's when things went off the rails. 813 00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:23,830 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: He was in one of his periods of time 814 00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:27,385 where he was literally higher than a kite. 815 00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:30,181 And we brought him in and attempted to interview him and 816 00:52:30,285 --> 00:52:33,667 it was an absolute total disaster. 817 00:52:33,771 --> 00:52:37,015 An embarrassment, because he, just, he basically 818 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,156 he was all over the map. 819 00:52:39,259 --> 00:52:41,813 He just couldn't concentrate. 820 00:52:41,917 --> 00:52:44,264 NARRATOR: As far as the RCMP was concerned, 821 00:52:44,368 --> 00:52:46,853 Cauldwell's credibility was zero. 822 00:52:49,545 --> 00:52:51,409 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: After watching Ross' interview, 823 00:52:51,513 --> 00:52:54,171 to be perfectly honest, I was left with a bad feeling that, 824 00:52:54,274 --> 00:52:57,760 that day that he, that he wasn't telling the truth. 825 00:52:57,864 --> 00:53:00,867 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: So from a credibility point of view, 826 00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:03,870 you know, he was going down in flames. 827 00:53:03,973 --> 00:53:06,562 And, ah, so it was not a highlight of you know, 828 00:53:06,666 --> 00:53:10,152 my career, to see your, your, witness who you felt, you 829 00:53:10,256 --> 00:53:16,607 know, was being, you know, helpful, and, uh, suddenly his 830 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:18,264 credibility's going down. 831 00:53:18,367 --> 00:53:20,714 And you know, everything he had done was just sort of 832 00:53:20,818 --> 00:53:23,821 going down with it. 833 00:53:23,924 --> 00:53:25,892 NARRATOR: Police had another problem. 834 00:53:25,995 --> 00:53:28,722 Yet again, they needed an eyewitness account in order 835 00:53:28,826 --> 00:53:30,759 to get a search warrant. 836 00:53:30,862 --> 00:53:34,003 Their only hope was Lynn Ellingsen. 837 00:53:34,107 --> 00:53:36,696 She'd moved off the farm, but Corporal Henley tracked her 838 00:53:36,799 --> 00:53:40,872 down and persuaded her to come in for an interview. 839 00:53:44,048 --> 00:53:45,877 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: She immediately recognized the fact 840 00:53:45,981 --> 00:53:49,398 that it was Ross Cauldwell that had told us this, 841 00:53:49,502 --> 00:53:52,194 and went off on what a liar he was, 842 00:53:52,298 --> 00:53:54,231 and it wasn't true, and I don't know 843 00:53:54,334 --> 00:53:56,819 why he's doing this to me and you know, Lynn was just - she 844 00:53:56,923 --> 00:54:01,859 was not, she was just not gonna talk to anybody... 845 00:54:01,962 --> 00:54:05,552 and just absolutely vehemently denied ever, ever, ever having 846 00:54:05,656 --> 00:54:10,799 seen anything like that and she just point-blank said to 847 00:54:10,902 --> 00:54:14,251 me, you know, "I'm f'in leaving here, that's it, 848 00:54:14,354 --> 00:54:17,530 I'm done, and we had no reason to hold her. 849 00:54:17,633 --> 00:54:18,841 We couldn't hold her there against her will. 850 00:54:18,945 --> 00:54:21,741 She wasn't charged with anything. 851 00:54:21,844 --> 00:54:23,881 NARRATOR: Ellingsen's uncooperative behavior got 852 00:54:23,984 --> 00:54:25,745 Henley thinking. 853 00:54:25,848 --> 00:54:28,679 Something she'd said before the interview took on new 854 00:54:28,782 --> 00:54:33,028 meaning and would haunt him for years. 855 00:54:33,131 --> 00:54:34,857 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: I was telling her, "you know, I know you 856 00:54:34,961 --> 00:54:36,342 wouldn't do something like this Lynn, you're not that 857 00:54:36,445 --> 00:54:38,240 kind of girl, you know, and such a horrific thing I'm sure 858 00:54:38,344 --> 00:54:40,863 you wouldn't let that happen to another woman, you know you 859 00:54:40,967 --> 00:54:46,697 would, you would come forward", and I was describing 860 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,078 the body, you know I'd been to autopsies and the fact that, 861 00:54:49,182 --> 00:54:51,218 you know, bodies are dissected is really, you know, it's 862 00:54:51,322 --> 00:54:52,979 really not a pleasant thing to sit through, 863 00:54:53,082 --> 00:54:55,568 not a pleasant thing to see. 864 00:54:55,671 --> 00:54:58,122 And it, it just sort of slipped out in the 865 00:54:58,225 --> 00:55:00,193 conversation, and I have to say at that time it kind of, 866 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:04,266 it kind of even went over my head, that she said words to 867 00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:09,133 the effect of that's gross, it's yellow and it's gross. 868 00:55:09,236 --> 00:55:11,722 ... and it wasn't until after her performance at Coquitlam 869 00:55:11,825 --> 00:55:19,039 detachment and the ride back to Surrey that it dawned on me 870 00:55:19,143 --> 00:55:24,113 that nobody would know that human fat is yellow unless 871 00:55:24,217 --> 00:55:25,563 they've seen a body, unless they've seen 872 00:55:25,667 --> 00:55:28,186 an eviscerated body. 873 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:31,500 NARRATOR: Henley persuaded Ellingsen to agree 874 00:55:31,604 --> 00:55:34,469 to a lie detector test. 875 00:55:34,572 --> 00:55:39,197 But on the day it was supposed to happen, she disappeared. 876 00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:44,513 Years later, she'd admit she had a strong motive not to 877 00:55:44,617 --> 00:55:50,416 tell police what she knew about Willie Pickton. 878 00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:52,418 LYNNE ELLINGSON: Well by having the knowledge of the 879 00:55:52,521 --> 00:56:00,184 barn incident, I did, uh, I did blackmail 880 00:56:00,287 --> 00:56:04,084 him a couple of times. 881 00:56:04,188 --> 00:56:08,365 I phoned him up, you know knowing that I was hurting 882 00:56:08,468 --> 00:56:13,231 again for drugs, now my addiction went 883 00:56:13,335 --> 00:56:16,131 right out of control. 884 00:56:16,234 --> 00:56:22,655 And I'd phoned him up and, yeah, I blackmailed him. 885 00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:29,731 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: I think it's safe to say that if Lynn had 886 00:56:29,834 --> 00:56:33,044 have taken that test, if the polygraphist had have been 887 00:56:33,148 --> 00:56:36,531 able to actually control her and it was a proper test, and 888 00:56:36,634 --> 00:56:39,292 she was in the proper mindset, I think the polygraphist would 889 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:42,157 have been able to tell whether she was telling the truth or 890 00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,504 not about what she saw. 891 00:56:44,608 --> 00:56:48,232 And of course, if that had happened and she had have had 892 00:56:48,335 --> 00:56:51,684 told the truth at that time of course it would have changed 893 00:56:51,787 --> 00:56:52,995 the course of history. 894 00:56:53,099 --> 00:56:54,549 But that's hindsight. 895 00:56:54,652 --> 00:56:56,689 Only defense lawyers are armed with hindsight. 896 00:56:56,792 --> 00:56:59,139 Never the police. 897 00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:09,046 DET. RON LEPINE: It would have been a totally different game. 898 00:57:09,149 --> 00:57:13,671 I suspect we could have found the grounds to legally enter 899 00:57:13,775 --> 00:57:16,605 that property and get on the property and I suspect it 900 00:57:16,709 --> 00:57:20,782 would have, it would have changed big time. 901 00:57:20,885 --> 00:57:22,784 NARRATOR: And Willie Pickton would likely have been 902 00:57:22,887 --> 00:57:25,062 arrested 2 years earlier. 903 00:57:25,165 --> 00:57:28,962 During that time, eleven more women would disappear. 904 00:58:09,451 --> 00:58:12,523 NARRATOR: Pickton was put under surveillance 905 00:58:12,627 --> 00:58:18,184 - a joint operation between Vancouver Police and the RCMP. 906 00:58:18,287 --> 00:58:20,082 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: Surveillance was put on him but 907 00:58:20,186 --> 00:58:22,671 he was what we would classify as an inactive target. 908 00:58:22,775 --> 00:58:24,501 He wasn't going anywhere. 909 00:58:24,604 --> 00:58:27,607 He wasn't doing anything. 910 00:58:27,711 --> 00:58:29,436 NARRATOR: If Pickton had picked up a prostitute while 911 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,956 under surveillance, police would have had 912 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,682 an even bigger problem. 913 00:58:35,615 --> 00:58:37,065 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: Morally, there's no way that we could 914 00:58:37,168 --> 00:58:38,894 ever gather evidence by that way because we would just 915 00:58:38,998 --> 00:58:43,347 simply have to go and we could not allow ah, a prostitute to 916 00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:45,798 get in the car with him because, you know, we could 917 00:58:45,901 --> 00:58:48,628 lose him and then, you know, she's at, her life's at risk, 918 00:58:48,732 --> 00:58:53,495 and morally we could never allow that. 919 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,015 NARRATOR: On one occasion, police did spot Pickton with 920 00:58:56,118 --> 00:58:59,018 someone in his truck. 921 00:58:59,121 --> 00:59:01,192 When they pulled him over, it turned out to be his friend 922 00:59:01,296 --> 00:59:05,265 Gina Houston's 13-year-old daughter. 923 00:59:05,369 --> 00:59:08,579 The surveillance operation was blown. 924 00:59:15,275 --> 00:59:18,520 NARRATOR: The investigation into Pickton stalled. 925 00:59:18,624 --> 00:59:22,455 The wider investigation into other suspects continued. 926 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,804 And more women disappeared. 927 00:59:26,908 --> 00:59:29,669 Then a bizarre turn of events. 928 00:59:29,773 --> 00:59:32,154 Pickton suddenly showed unannounced up 929 00:59:32,258 --> 00:59:35,606 at RCMP headquarters. 930 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,512 NARRATOR: Police had visited Willie Pickton's farm on 931 00:59:45,616 --> 00:59:48,930 several occasions, but whenever they showed up, 932 00:59:49,033 --> 00:59:51,691 Pickton wasn't around. 933 00:59:51,795 --> 00:59:53,106 Then suddenly... 934 00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:55,592 Pickton showed up at the Coquitlam RCMP station 935 00:59:55,695 --> 00:59:57,110 unannounced... 936 00:59:57,214 --> 01:00:00,182 on his time and his terms, catching the police 937 01:00:00,286 --> 01:00:02,806 interviewers by surprise. 938 01:00:02,909 --> 01:00:05,153 He brought along a friend for back up. 939 01:00:05,256 --> 01:00:07,120 Gina Houston had lots of experience 940 01:00:07,224 --> 01:00:09,882 dealing with police. 941 01:00:12,022 --> 01:00:14,472 GINA HOUSTON: When Willie and I went to um the RCMP station 942 01:00:14,576 --> 01:00:18,684 for that six and a half hour interview, they had nothing. 943 01:00:18,787 --> 01:00:20,893 They just had concerns. 944 01:00:20,996 --> 01:00:22,964 They'd been watching Willie. 945 01:00:23,067 --> 01:00:24,482 Obviously they didn't find enough 946 01:00:24,586 --> 01:00:26,174 to do anything about it. 947 01:00:31,558 --> 01:00:33,871 NARRATOR: According to Gina Houston, Pickton was a model 948 01:00:33,975 --> 01:00:39,705 of cooperation, just trying to clear up a misunderstanding. 949 01:00:39,808 --> 01:00:41,948 GINA HOUSTON: He said, "I want this all to stop." 950 01:00:42,052 --> 01:00:44,571 Anytime, day or night, he said, "just phone when you're 951 01:00:44,675 --> 01:00:46,297 at the gate so they can stop the machine 952 01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:48,334 so you don't get hurt". 953 01:00:48,437 --> 01:00:50,681 You can come anytime, day or night, whenever you want, get 954 01:00:50,785 --> 01:00:51,993 all the DNA samples you want. 955 01:00:52,096 --> 01:00:53,511 Please do I want this all to stop. 956 01:00:53,615 --> 01:00:56,273 Please come, please do it, I'd like this to stop. 957 01:00:56,376 --> 01:00:59,759 I'd like it to all be over with." 958 01:01:01,485 --> 01:01:04,522 NARRATOR: Police did visit the farm that same week. 959 01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:07,077 Pickton invited them into his trailer. 960 01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:10,218 But there was nothing suspicious in plain view. 961 01:01:10,321 --> 01:01:13,704 Another dead end. 962 01:01:13,808 --> 01:01:21,367 And now, other suspects were making headlines. 963 01:01:21,470 --> 01:01:24,819 Police arrested Barry Thomas Neidermeyer for assaulting 964 01:01:24,922 --> 01:01:27,822 several prostitutes and revealed he was also being 965 01:01:27,925 --> 01:01:32,240 investigated in connection with the missing women. 966 01:01:33,759 --> 01:01:35,553 NARRATOR: Another person of strong interest was 967 01:01:35,657 --> 01:01:38,522 Robert Yates, an American who just been arrested for 968 01:01:38,625 --> 01:01:42,560 murdering prostitutes in Washington State. 969 01:01:42,664 --> 01:01:45,080 REPORTER: Authorities say they have definite evidence linking 970 01:01:45,184 --> 01:01:47,151 Yates to nine homicides in all... 971 01:01:48,739 --> 01:01:50,430 DET. RON LEPINE [RET]: You have to look at the big picture. 972 01:01:50,534 --> 01:01:52,156 You can never just cast a blind eye to one part of the 973 01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:53,882 investigation and focus only on one area because that will 974 01:01:53,986 --> 01:01:58,542 come to bite you when you go into court and they'll always 975 01:01:58,645 --> 01:02:01,787 ask the question, "well, you said you did this to this 976 01:02:01,890 --> 01:02:04,721 person, did you do the same thing with that person? 977 01:02:04,824 --> 01:02:06,861 And if the answer starts to be "no, I only did it to this 978 01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:09,070 guy, those are the only questions we ever asked this 979 01:02:09,173 --> 01:02:12,176 guy, we never asked that of anyone else", then you just, 980 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,976 you're putting, you're setting yourself up for, for disaster. 981 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,117 NARRATOR: On the farm, Willie now had another frequent 982 01:02:22,221 --> 01:02:24,879 visitor from the Downtown Eastside. 983 01:02:26,259 --> 01:02:29,021 DINAH TAYLOR: Well I asked him if I could like rent a place 984 01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:33,163 off him, something like that and he says "yeah no problem". 985 01:02:33,266 --> 01:02:37,236 So I stayed out there not to often, off and on cuz you know 986 01:02:37,339 --> 01:02:41,102 at that time I was in the methadone program so at that 987 01:02:41,205 --> 01:02:45,106 time I was doing heroin and crack cocaine and 988 01:02:45,209 --> 01:02:48,281 I was always, like, in places back and forth back 989 01:02:48,385 --> 01:02:53,148 and forth you know. 990 01:02:53,252 --> 01:02:55,979 Willie always sort of didn't want me to come downtown and 991 01:02:56,082 --> 01:02:59,292 hang out with people that do drugs he was like really 992 01:02:59,396 --> 01:03:03,814 protective in that way. 993 01:03:03,918 --> 01:03:06,368 Mostly Willie was trying to help me get off the street and 994 01:03:06,472 --> 01:03:09,786 get off drugs and be a good person. 995 01:03:12,029 --> 01:03:13,859 NARRATOR: Meanwhile, the whole investigation 996 01:03:13,962 --> 01:03:16,137 was going nowhere, fast. 997 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,071 Vancouver police admitted they were no closer to finding most 998 01:03:19,174 --> 01:03:22,281 of the missing women than they'd been two-and-a-half 999 01:03:22,384 --> 01:03:23,834 years earlier. 1000 01:03:23,938 --> 01:03:26,699 VICKI: Frustrating for you because you're nowhere, 1001 01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:27,873 really, with this. 1002 01:03:27,976 --> 01:03:29,633 LORI SHENHER: You know, two-and-a-half years of 1003 01:03:29,736 --> 01:03:32,360 working on it and all I'm at - the place I'm at now is that 1004 01:03:32,463 --> 01:03:36,019 now I know just a lot more places they're not. 1005 01:03:36,122 --> 01:03:38,366 But I have- I am no closer to, like you know people ask 1006 01:03:38,469 --> 01:03:42,715 me to speculate-you can't, I don't know. 1007 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,338 NARRATOR: After a year of virtual paralysis, 1008 01:03:45,442 --> 01:03:48,376 Vancouver Police admitted they needed help. 1009 01:03:48,479 --> 01:03:50,896 They called the RCMP. 1010 01:03:50,999 --> 01:03:54,313 Finally, an official joint task force was created. 1011 01:03:54,416 --> 01:03:57,247 Codename: Project Evenhanded. 1012 01:03:57,350 --> 01:04:02,217 The mandate: an in-depth review of everything on file. 1013 01:04:02,321 --> 01:04:08,327 Thousands of tips and hundreds of persons of interest. 1014 01:04:13,194 --> 01:04:14,747 NARRATOR: In the following months, 1015 01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,783 more women disappeared. 1016 01:04:23,549 --> 01:04:24,791 ELAINE ALLAN: It's hard to talk about all the women 1017 01:04:24,895 --> 01:04:26,483 I knew that went missing. 1018 01:04:26,586 --> 01:04:28,795 I knew 20 women who went missing. 1019 01:04:28,899 --> 01:04:33,559 And it's a, that's a lot of women. 1020 01:04:33,662 --> 01:04:36,700 Um, the climate inside the centre was like that every 1021 01:04:36,803 --> 01:04:39,289 night that there was always this fear we knew there was 1022 01:04:39,392 --> 01:04:41,981 some monster out there, knew there was some evil dark force 1023 01:04:42,085 --> 01:04:45,295 that was at work and the likelihood of someone going 1024 01:04:45,398 --> 01:04:49,195 missing, just not showing up was so probable that ya, when 1025 01:04:49,299 --> 01:04:52,474 I would say goodbye sometimes to women at the centre I often 1026 01:04:52,578 --> 01:04:55,546 just didn't know if I'd ever see them again. 1027 01:04:58,446 --> 01:05:01,311 NARRATOR: Meanwhile, Lynn Ellingsen's adamant denials 1028 01:05:01,414 --> 01:05:04,210 from two years earlier continued to haunt 1029 01:05:04,314 --> 01:05:07,213 Corporal Frank Henley, even though he was working 1030 01:05:07,317 --> 01:05:11,079 in another department. 1031 01:05:11,183 --> 01:05:13,840 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: It just still eating at me that 1032 01:05:13,944 --> 01:05:17,948 I had been unsuccessful with Lynn. 1033 01:05:18,052 --> 01:05:20,606 And if you are a cop, you can't stand it. 1034 01:05:20,709 --> 01:05:21,848 You gotta know. 1035 01:05:21,952 --> 01:05:24,092 We're just nosy, that's why we do what we do. 1036 01:05:24,196 --> 01:05:27,095 And, and I, I just, I just needed to know, I needed to go 1037 01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:33,032 meet this guy, that, that, you know, rumour had it, had cut 1038 01:05:33,136 --> 01:05:36,898 this woman up his pig farm. 1039 01:05:39,211 --> 01:05:41,730 NARRATOR: Even though he was not assigned to the case, 1040 01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:44,595 Henley asked his superiors if he could pay Pickton 1041 01:05:44,699 --> 01:05:46,459 an "unofficial" visit. 1042 01:05:49,221 --> 01:05:51,775 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: Drove over there, drove into the yard. 1043 01:05:51,878 --> 01:05:54,019 I said, you know, "I'm looking for Willie Pickton", and he 1044 01:05:54,122 --> 01:05:55,952 said "I'm Willie Pickton", and I said "well, I'm Frank 1045 01:05:56,055 --> 01:06:00,025 Hanley, I'm with the RCMP homicide unit", 1046 01:06:00,128 --> 01:06:03,200 and he didn't flinch, didn't bother him at all, right? 1047 01:06:06,272 --> 01:06:08,033 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: Sort of worked that into, you know 1048 01:06:08,136 --> 01:06:10,518 "how come the police are interested in you Willie?" 1049 01:06:10,621 --> 01:06:12,899 like "what's going on?" 1050 01:06:13,003 --> 01:06:17,663 And he actually told me about this guy and this girl that 1051 01:06:17,766 --> 01:06:20,907 had been trying to blackmail him and told me this sad story 1052 01:06:21,011 --> 01:06:24,152 about how he had been so good to them and helped them out 1053 01:06:24,256 --> 01:06:27,086 and done things for them, gave them a place to stay, 1054 01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:29,088 gave them a job when they had no money. 1055 01:06:31,297 --> 01:06:32,781 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: Well, I suggested to Willie sort of at 1056 01:06:32,885 --> 01:06:36,268 the end of our, our little informal chat that if there 1057 01:06:36,371 --> 01:06:40,134 was a problem with the police that we could arrange for him 1058 01:06:40,237 --> 01:06:45,415 to take a polygraph. 1059 01:06:45,518 --> 01:06:48,728 And he gave me this stock answer that, uh, that you 1060 01:06:48,832 --> 01:06:51,007 generally you get when you make that suggestion to, to 1061 01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:55,666 certain people that, uh, "yah, yah, I'll think about that, 1062 01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:57,151 maybe, maybe, yah." 1063 01:06:57,254 --> 01:06:58,980 And that was it. 1064 01:06:59,084 --> 01:07:04,399 So, I mean, it did not go anywhere. 1065 01:07:04,503 --> 01:07:07,264 And I said, "well, you know thanks Willie, thanks for 1066 01:07:07,368 --> 01:07:09,680 talkin' to me", you know, "and I hope we get this cleared 1067 01:07:09,784 --> 01:07:12,028 up", and I extended my hand and he shook my hand and it 1068 01:07:12,131 --> 01:07:18,620 was just - like, I don't know if it's a man thing, I know 1069 01:07:18,724 --> 01:07:20,484 it's not just a cop thing - I'm sure it's just 1070 01:07:20,588 --> 01:07:22,521 a man thing. 1071 01:07:22,624 --> 01:07:29,114 It was the wettest, limpest, grossest thing I've ever felt 1072 01:07:29,217 --> 01:07:31,633 from another man in my life, it just, 1073 01:07:31,737 --> 01:07:34,015 it just creeped me out. 1074 01:07:38,606 --> 01:07:41,609 CPL. FRANK HENLEY: He's unobtrusive, he's quiet, 1075 01:07:41,712 --> 01:07:46,579 he's polite, you know the way he lives, he's messy and you know 1076 01:07:46,683 --> 01:07:48,995 like all of these things that the FBI profilers 1077 01:07:49,099 --> 01:07:52,516 over the years had, had set out. 1078 01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:56,037 And I thought to myself, you know he fits perfectly the 1079 01:07:56,141 --> 01:07:58,522 description of a serial killer. 1080 01:09:08,937 --> 01:09:12,286 NARRATOR: 22-year-old Andrea Joesbury was making progress 1081 01:09:12,389 --> 01:09:14,909 breaking her addiction. 1082 01:09:15,012 --> 01:09:17,083 Her pharmacist reported her missing after she'd missed her 1083 01:09:17,187 --> 01:09:21,640 methadone treatment several days in a row. 1084 01:09:21,743 --> 01:09:23,435 PHARMACIST: It kind worried me so I tried to find out 1085 01:09:23,538 --> 01:09:26,990 what happened. 1086 01:09:27,093 --> 01:09:30,476 So on the third day I went and looked for her and, ah, 1087 01:09:30,580 --> 01:09:32,720 she's not there. 1088 01:09:35,274 --> 01:09:38,104 NARRATOR: Andrea was an acquaintance of Dinah Taylor, 1089 01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:40,797 who was hanging out at Pickton's place. 1090 01:09:40,900 --> 01:09:42,971 Taylor doesn't deny that she and Joesbury 1091 01:09:43,075 --> 01:09:44,939 were at the farm together. 1092 01:09:45,042 --> 01:09:48,977 But today, she refuses to say Andrea's name. 1093 01:09:50,462 --> 01:09:51,911 DINAH TAYLOR: I know people are trying to accuse me for 1094 01:09:52,015 --> 01:09:55,812 the person you're talking about but it ain't true and 1095 01:09:55,915 --> 01:09:59,022 I ain't gonna take no rap or anything I don't know nothing 1096 01:09:59,125 --> 01:10:02,128 and I don't want to know anything. 1097 01:10:02,232 --> 01:10:04,959 Like I'm not trying to cover my ass or Willie's ass, or 1098 01:10:05,062 --> 01:10:08,411 anybody's ass I just don't know nothing and I don't want 1099 01:10:08,514 --> 01:10:11,483 to talk about this person or that person so 1100 01:10:11,586 --> 01:10:15,141 subject is now closed. 1101 01:10:15,245 --> 01:10:18,662 Thank you. 1102 01:10:18,766 --> 01:10:22,356 1103 01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:26,083 NARRATOR: Sereena Abbotsway was a neighborhood character. 1104 01:10:26,187 --> 01:10:30,812 When she vanished, everyone noticed. 1105 01:10:30,916 --> 01:10:33,781 Two years earlier, she'd told police her sixth sense would 1106 01:10:33,884 --> 01:10:36,404 keep her out of trouble. 1107 01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:38,441 SEREENA ABBOTSWAY: If I don't like the way the guy is, 1108 01:10:38,544 --> 01:10:40,788 then I wont go with him 1109 01:10:40,891 --> 01:10:42,479 NARRATOR: Sereena's disappearance was the latest 1110 01:10:42,583 --> 01:10:45,551 chapter in a long story of heartache for her foster 1111 01:10:45,655 --> 01:10:49,762 parents, Dutch immigrants who'd rescued Sereena when she 1112 01:10:49,866 --> 01:10:52,765 was abandoned by their birth mother. 1113 01:10:52,869 --> 01:10:55,423 ANNA DRAAYERS: Sereena and her siblings were found in 1114 01:10:55,527 --> 01:11:00,946 downtown Vancouver, the three of them in a room, actually 1115 01:11:01,049 --> 01:11:03,673 the baby was in another room. 1116 01:11:03,776 --> 01:11:07,573 And so they finally opened the rooms up and found the kids, 1117 01:11:07,677 --> 01:11:15,236 like the youngest one sat in her own feces, the two older 1118 01:11:15,340 --> 01:11:20,068 ones, Sereena was the only one who was walking around. 1119 01:11:20,172 --> 01:11:24,832 The brother could not walk at all because he was tied down 1120 01:11:24,935 --> 01:11:29,285 with his legs to the crib. 1121 01:11:29,388 --> 01:11:31,632 NARRATOR: Gina Houston claims that she saw Sereena on 1122 01:11:31,735 --> 01:11:36,913 Pickton's farm, hanging out with Dinah Taylor. 1123 01:11:37,016 --> 01:11:38,535 GINA HOUSTON: Sereena came there to get off drugs and 1124 01:11:38,639 --> 01:11:41,158 I walked in the trailer one day and Serena and her were 1125 01:11:41,262 --> 01:11:43,747 shooting up and smoking crack. 1126 01:11:43,851 --> 01:11:45,818 And they told Willie that they weren't doing any drugs. 1127 01:11:45,922 --> 01:11:47,406 I went back to the barn to tell Willie that they were and 1128 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:48,718 he goes, "No they're not." 1129 01:11:48,821 --> 01:11:50,098 And I go, "Yeah they are Willie." 1130 01:11:50,202 --> 01:11:51,652 But by the time Willie had gone in there they'd had it 1131 01:11:51,755 --> 01:11:53,170 all cleaned up. 1132 01:11:53,274 --> 01:11:55,172 NARRATOR: Sereena Abotsway is another victim that 1133 01:11:55,276 --> 01:11:58,106 Dinah Taylor refuses to talk about. 1134 01:11:59,453 --> 01:12:01,558 DINAH TAYLOR: What you just said, that didn't even happen. 1135 01:12:01,662 --> 01:12:04,527 I never, ever shot up at all. 1136 01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:10,360 Like now this is, this thing is gonna be finished ASP now, 1137 01:12:10,464 --> 01:12:13,536 because this happened like yesterday, I'm not here to 1138 01:12:13,639 --> 01:12:20,128 give a confession to anybody, so this thing is now over. 1139 01:12:20,232 --> 01:12:21,923 See ya.... Over. 1140 01:12:22,027 --> 01:12:25,893 Over. 1141 01:12:25,996 --> 01:12:27,929 It's over. 1142 01:12:28,033 --> 01:12:30,138 No I don't wanna talk no more. 1143 01:12:32,762 --> 01:12:34,695 NARRATOR: Those who'd hoped the new police task force 1144 01:12:34,798 --> 01:12:37,663 would make a speedy breakthrough, were in for a 1145 01:12:37,767 --> 01:12:40,425 brutal wake-up call. 1146 01:12:40,528 --> 01:12:44,014 Project Evenhanded had made a startling discovery. 1147 01:12:44,118 --> 01:12:48,018 At least a dozen more women were unaccounted for. 1148 01:12:48,122 --> 01:12:51,159 Some had been reported missing long ago, and should have been 1149 01:12:51,263 --> 01:12:54,059 on the list much sooner. 1150 01:12:54,162 --> 01:12:56,820 The original Vancouver city police investigation came 1151 01:12:56,924 --> 01:13:03,137 under attack as flawed, short staffed, 1152 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,519 and plagued by infighting. 1153 01:13:10,593 --> 01:13:12,249 NARRATOR: As the Task Force grappled with the new 1154 01:13:12,353 --> 01:13:17,358 information, two more women disappeared. 1155 01:13:17,462 --> 01:13:18,635 Dianne Rock. 1156 01:13:18,739 --> 01:13:21,017 Age 34. 1157 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,228 And 26-year-old Mona Wilson. 1158 01:13:27,126 --> 01:13:29,784 NARRATOR: The same week Mona was reported missing, 1159 01:13:29,888 --> 01:13:33,685 Gina Houston says she heard something odd during a phone 1160 01:13:33,788 --> 01:13:37,827 conversation with Pickton. 1161 01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:39,656 GINA HOUSTON: There what sounded to be a knock or 1162 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,313 something and Willie said, "Hang on." 1163 01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:44,868 And he said hello or come in or something, there were a 1164 01:13:44,972 --> 01:13:49,942 couple of feminine voices and a masculine voice. 1165 01:13:50,046 --> 01:13:53,636 I couldn't say at the trial that it was two women and one 1166 01:13:53,739 --> 01:13:55,223 man because I wasn't there to see. 1167 01:13:55,327 --> 01:13:57,605 But what sounded like two females and one male. 1168 01:13:57,709 --> 01:14:00,850 And Willie had said hang on for a sec, he was talking a 1169 01:14:00,953 --> 01:14:05,786 bit and all of the sudden I heard Willie say, 1170 01:14:05,889 --> 01:14:10,998 "not here no, don't do that." 1171 01:14:11,101 --> 01:14:13,483 Um, It sounded like a fight or something had broken out. 1172 01:14:13,587 --> 01:14:15,658 There's, um, you know a bit of screaming and scuffling, and 1173 01:14:15,761 --> 01:14:24,529 Willie's um, still with the phone saying, um, what's he 1174 01:14:24,632 --> 01:14:28,705 saying, "no not here, stop", or something, um. 1175 01:14:28,809 --> 01:14:30,535 Then all of the sudden the phone went dead. 1176 01:14:35,022 --> 01:14:36,748 NARRATOR: Police admitted they were still swamped with 1177 01:14:36,851 --> 01:14:42,132 suspects, including America's infamous Green River Killer, 1178 01:14:42,236 --> 01:14:44,928 who now had a name and a face. 1179 01:14:45,032 --> 01:14:48,898 A few days earlier, Gary Leon Ridgeway had been arrested 1180 01:14:49,001 --> 01:14:50,693 near Seattle. 1181 01:14:50,796 --> 01:14:53,972 He would eventually plead guilty to murdering 48 women 1182 01:14:54,075 --> 01:14:56,699 in the '80s and '90s. 1183 01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:06,329 NARRATOR: Gina Houston says a few days after her phone chat 1184 01:15:06,432 --> 01:15:09,850 with Willie, she went to the farm, to pick up a pig he'd 1185 01:15:09,953 --> 01:15:12,024 butchered for her. 1186 01:15:13,819 --> 01:15:15,131 GINA HOUSTON: When I went down to the farm after the 1187 01:15:15,234 --> 01:15:16,822 incident, when I heard the scuffle on the phone, I walked 1188 01:15:16,926 --> 01:15:20,170 into the piggery and just something was not right. 1189 01:15:20,274 --> 01:15:22,241 And I turned around behind me, and the freezer behind the 1190 01:15:22,345 --> 01:15:27,281 door which never has anything on it, has a blanket over it 1191 01:15:27,384 --> 01:15:31,078 with brand new tools laid out, like just so precise. 1192 01:15:31,181 --> 01:15:33,287 In all the time I'd been down there never, ever has this 1193 01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:35,289 ever been. 1194 01:15:35,392 --> 01:15:36,980 Especially not no clean towel or brand new tools, you know 1195 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:39,120 what I mean? 1196 01:15:39,224 --> 01:15:40,984 So I started walking over to the freezer and I went to go 1197 01:15:41,088 --> 01:15:43,366 put my hand and something told me to stop, and I turned 1198 01:15:43,469 --> 01:15:46,127 around and I looked at Willie and there was like a tear in 1199 01:15:46,231 --> 01:15:49,165 his eye and he's like, shaking his head, "don't", you know, 1200 01:15:49,268 --> 01:15:51,581 "don't". 1201 01:16:19,885 --> 01:16:22,094 NARRATOR: Pickton may have gotten away with murder for 1202 01:16:22,198 --> 01:16:25,166 many more months - even years. 1203 01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:28,342 But police were about to get a tip, setting off a chain of 1204 01:16:28,445 --> 01:16:31,828 events that would break the case wide open. 1205 01:16:38,973 --> 01:16:42,356 NARRATOR: At the beginning of 2002, Willie Pickton was just 1206 01:16:42,459 --> 01:16:46,049 one of forty top-priority suspects in the case of the 1207 01:16:46,153 --> 01:16:49,087 missing women. 1208 01:16:49,190 --> 01:16:51,261 A tip from a former farm employee was about 1209 01:16:51,365 --> 01:16:54,195 to change that. 1210 01:16:54,299 --> 01:16:56,888 Like many other Pickton associates, Scott Chubb's 1211 01:16:56,991 --> 01:16:59,615 history was less than squeaky-clean. 1212 01:17:02,031 --> 01:17:04,654 SCOTT CHUBB: I spent almost ten years of my life in jail. 1213 01:17:04,758 --> 01:17:08,934 I did juvi time, provincial time, federal time. 1214 01:17:09,038 --> 01:17:13,318 I have a very colourful past but and I admit to it 100% but 1215 01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:16,217 that's not where my headspace is at today and, 1216 01:17:16,321 --> 01:17:18,634 you know, I'm over it. 1217 01:17:20,532 --> 01:17:22,776 NARRATOR: Chubb told police there were illegal weapons on 1218 01:17:22,879 --> 01:17:27,470 Pickton's property, hoping he might get paid for his tip. 1219 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:32,855 SCOTT CHUBB: I never seen him actually use the gun on the 1220 01:17:32,958 --> 01:17:34,650 property, right? 1221 01:17:34,753 --> 01:17:36,617 I mean, I'd seen the guns on the property and stuff and, 1222 01:17:36,721 --> 01:17:40,690 and you know I'd even asked to use them to shoot em on the 1223 01:17:40,794 --> 01:17:42,692 property and never had a problem -"Yeah go ahead" he 1224 01:17:42,796 --> 01:17:47,076 said, you know and didn't have an issue with it, but I mean 1225 01:17:47,179 --> 01:17:50,113 as far as what he would, what his intentions and what he was 1226 01:17:50,217 --> 01:17:52,460 doing with the guns I wouldn't know. 1227 01:17:52,564 --> 01:17:54,117 I wouldn't know. 1228 01:17:55,843 --> 01:17:57,914 NARRATOR: Chubb's tip-off was not related to the missing 1229 01:17:58,018 --> 01:18:02,091 women, but his eyewitness report gave police grounds to 1230 01:18:02,194 --> 01:18:05,577 get onto Pickton's property legally, when he wasn't 1231 01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:11,203 expecting them. 1232 01:18:16,933 --> 01:18:22,042 This time, they found women's clothing, ID, syringes and an 1233 01:18:22,145 --> 01:18:26,460 asthma inhaler with Sereena Abotsway's name on it. 1234 01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:34,364 NARRATOR: Now they had grounds to scour the entire farm for 1235 01:18:34,468 --> 01:18:38,127 evidence of murder. 1236 01:18:47,688 --> 01:18:49,345 LISA YELDS: The last time I seen Willie he was very 1237 01:18:49,448 --> 01:18:52,037 stressed out. 1238 01:18:52,141 --> 01:18:55,109 It looked like he had lost weight. 1239 01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:58,768 He looked very, very tired, very haggard. 1240 01:18:58,872 --> 01:19:01,426 And he asked me this question, he goes, "If I end up in 1241 01:19:01,529 --> 01:19:03,739 jail," he says, "will you come visit me?" 1242 01:19:03,842 --> 01:19:05,533 I says, "Willie, you're not gonna go to jail what could 1243 01:19:05,637 --> 01:19:07,812 you have possibly done to go to jail?" 1244 01:19:09,330 --> 01:19:13,507 I think he knew what was going to happen to him, that he was 1245 01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:20,272 in really, really big trouble and he didn't know what to do. 1246 01:19:20,376 --> 01:19:22,033 POLICE OFFICER, MEDIA : The Missing Women's Joint Task 1247 01:19:22,136 --> 01:19:26,727 Force is announcing that Robert William Pickton age 52 1248 01:19:26,831 --> 01:19:30,351 years, of Port Coquitlam, was charged today with two counts 1249 01:19:30,455 --> 01:19:32,457 of first-degree murder. 1250 01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:38,049 STAFF SGT. DOUG MACKAY-DUNN [RET]: When I heard that Pickton 1251 01:19:38,152 --> 01:19:41,397 was arrested and they were setting up a crime scene, 1252 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:43,226 I was asked about this. 1253 01:19:43,330 --> 01:19:45,263 I said it's going to be one of the most horrendous crime 1254 01:19:45,366 --> 01:19:49,923 scenes ever investigated, the individuals involved in that 1255 01:19:50,026 --> 01:19:52,132 investigation are going to have nightmares 1256 01:19:52,235 --> 01:19:54,237 till the day they die. 1257 01:19:54,341 --> 01:19:57,896 Nobody is ever gonna be the same again. 1258 01:20:00,899 --> 01:20:02,556 MEDIA : ... a police search of Pickton's farm revealed body 1259 01:20:02,659 --> 01:20:05,628 parts severed heads and hands. 1260 01:20:05,731 --> 01:20:06,940 It sparked the largest investigation 1261 01:20:07,043 --> 01:20:11,427 in Canadian history. 1262 01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:14,637 ANNA DRAAYERS: As much as we've been told she was found 1263 01:20:14,740 --> 01:20:18,744 in a bucket in the freezer. 1264 01:20:18,848 --> 01:20:23,301 They found her head, two hands, and two feet. 1265 01:20:23,404 --> 01:20:25,993 The rest was not there. 1266 01:20:30,549 --> 01:20:33,000 NARRATOR: In the same freezer as Sereena Abotsway's remains 1267 01:20:33,104 --> 01:20:36,762 were those of Andrea Joesbury. 1268 01:20:36,866 --> 01:20:39,904 On other parts of Pickton's property, investigators found 1269 01:20:40,007 --> 01:20:44,701 bones and teeth matching Mona Wilson, Brenda Wolfe, Georgina 1270 01:20:44,805 --> 01:20:49,499 Papin and Marnie Frey, along with DNA and belongings linked 1271 01:20:49,603 --> 01:20:52,295 to more than two dozen other women. 1272 01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,198 "STITCH": When I found out he was finally arrested, 1273 01:20:58,301 --> 01:21:00,027 I happened to be up in a hotel room with a 1274 01:21:00,131 --> 01:21:01,684 girlfriend of mine. 1275 01:21:01,787 --> 01:21:05,619 And, um, we just happened to see it on TV, and it was like 1276 01:21:05,722 --> 01:21:11,142 my heart stopped and I just looked at the TV and I said to 1277 01:21:11,245 --> 01:21:15,525 her "lookit, there's that trailer I was at." 1278 01:21:15,629 --> 01:21:18,114 It was a whole new feeling from what he had done to me to 1279 01:21:18,218 --> 01:21:21,669 find out he was the guy killing all these girls. 1280 01:21:21,773 --> 01:21:24,362 MEDIA : It is becoming depressingly familiar - names 1281 01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:26,502 of the latest women who police say were murdered 1282 01:21:26,605 --> 01:21:28,400 by Robert Pickton. 1283 01:21:28,504 --> 01:21:31,714 MEDIA : Heather Gabriel Chinook, Inga Monique Hall, 1284 01:21:31,817 --> 01:21:36,857 Tanya Marlow Holyk and Sherry Lee Irving... 1285 01:21:36,961 --> 01:21:38,824 REPORTER: With today's four new charges, an unhappy 1286 01:21:38,928 --> 01:21:40,896 historical moment for Canada 1287 01:21:40,999 --> 01:21:43,001 POLICE SPOKESWOMAN: This case is now the largest 1288 01:21:43,105 --> 01:21:46,867 serial killer investigation in Canadian history. 1289 01:21:49,663 --> 01:21:50,906 CONST. DAVE DICKSON [RET]: I didn't feel very 1290 01:21:51,009 --> 01:21:52,217 good at all, actually. 1291 01:21:52,321 --> 01:21:53,667 You know, probably the one time in my career that I had 1292 01:21:53,770 --> 01:21:55,255 to go talk to somebody. 1293 01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:57,947 You know, because I had some difficulty with it, cuz when 1294 01:21:58,051 --> 01:22:01,088 I, I guess I finally realized what was happening, you know, 1295 01:22:01,192 --> 01:22:03,677 it wasn't a good feeling at all. 1296 01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:06,266 And only because I'd gotten close to the women. 1297 01:22:06,369 --> 01:22:08,164 You know, so I didn't feel good about it. 1298 01:22:08,268 --> 01:22:10,132 I guess I felt good because, you know, they'd found the 1299 01:22:10,235 --> 01:22:14,688 person responsible, you know, but it wasn't a good feeling. 1300 01:22:19,693 --> 01:22:21,798 NARRATOR: Police arrested three people who'd spent time 1301 01:22:21,902 --> 01:22:24,870 at the farm, but none of them were ever charged in 1302 01:22:24,974 --> 01:22:27,494 connection with the missing women. 1303 01:22:27,597 --> 01:22:30,117 DINAH TAYLOR: See ya. Over. Over. 1304 01:22:30,221 --> 01:22:31,601 NARRATOR: Dinah Taylor. 1305 01:22:31,705 --> 01:22:34,225 DINAH TAYLOR: It's over. 1306 01:22:34,328 --> 01:22:37,573 NARRATOR: A farm employee, Pat Casanova, who'd helped Pickton 1307 01:22:37,676 --> 01:22:39,955 butcher pigs and admitted to using prostitutes 1308 01:22:40,058 --> 01:22:42,647 on the property. 1309 01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:44,960 And Lynn Ellingsen. 1310 01:22:45,063 --> 01:22:47,134 After she was arrested, she finally decided 1311 01:22:47,238 --> 01:22:49,412 to tell the truth. 1312 01:22:49,516 --> 01:22:52,484 She had seen a body hanging in the barn. 1313 01:22:52,588 --> 01:22:56,109 Now, she became the prosecution's star witness. 1314 01:22:58,697 --> 01:23:02,253 NARRATOR: Pickton was charged with 26 murders in all. 1315 01:23:02,356 --> 01:23:04,980 The judge believed a jury would be confused by more than 1316 01:23:05,083 --> 01:23:07,189 2 dozen charges. 1317 01:23:07,292 --> 01:23:11,296 So he split the case into two separate trials. 1318 01:23:15,576 --> 01:23:17,544 NARRATOR: The jury found Pickton guilty in the first 1319 01:23:17,647 --> 01:23:22,963 6 murders, but with a twist that stunned investigators. 1320 01:23:23,067 --> 01:23:24,758 MEDIA : For the death of Serena Abbotsway, 1321 01:23:24,861 --> 01:23:27,002 Robert Pickton is guilty of second degree murder. 1322 01:23:27,105 --> 01:23:30,143 Mona Wilson, second degree murder, Andrea Joesbury.... 1323 01:23:30,246 --> 01:23:34,250 the jury found Pickton guilty of second degree murder, 1324 01:23:34,354 --> 01:23:35,665 not first, because it wasn't convinced he planned 1325 01:23:35,769 --> 01:23:37,495 the murders. 1326 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,637 NARRATOR: Second degree murder for Pickton. 1327 01:23:41,740 --> 01:23:45,158 Twenty more charges still on the books and nobody else on 1328 01:23:45,261 --> 01:23:47,815 trial, a disappointing result for many of 1329 01:23:47,919 --> 01:23:50,956 the victim's families. 1330 01:23:52,406 --> 01:23:54,477 ELAINE ALLAN: Do I think he acted alone? 1331 01:23:54,581 --> 01:23:56,583 I think he acted alone most of the time but I don't think he 1332 01:23:56,686 --> 01:23:59,827 acted alone all of the time. 1333 01:24:01,622 --> 01:24:06,144 ANDY BELLWOOD: I feel that Willie recruited people 1334 01:24:06,248 --> 01:24:07,904 in helping him. 1335 01:24:08,008 --> 01:24:11,977 I think that Willie acted on some of the killings alone and 1336 01:24:12,081 --> 01:24:13,876 I think he acted on some of the killings 1337 01:24:13,979 --> 01:24:16,154 with other people. 1338 01:24:16,258 --> 01:24:19,019 I feel there's other people involved, I think there's a 1339 01:24:19,123 --> 01:24:24,714 lot of evidence pointing towards other people involved. 1340 01:24:24,818 --> 01:24:26,199 LISA YELDS: Willie needs to go to jail for what 1341 01:24:26,302 --> 01:24:28,960 Willie did wrong. 1342 01:24:29,064 --> 01:24:33,378 So if he's guilty of X number of murders, or disposal of 1343 01:24:33,482 --> 01:24:37,693 bodies, he needs to go to jail for that. 1344 01:24:37,796 --> 01:24:39,971 But if there's other people involved, 1345 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:41,490 they need to go to jail for that. 1346 01:24:41,593 --> 01:24:43,492 Not Willie Pickton.